Hi, Thank you for all the information on the forum ... it's a good read. I'm a teacher in Johannesburg and found your forum while doing research on what handgun to buy after I found my neighbour bleeding in the street; he was pistol-whipped in a home invasion. I have owned a G17 Gen 4 since September last year, have run about 4000 rounds through it (without any cases hitting me in the face ) and I am doing my IDPA new shooter orientation and shooting my first classifier tomorrow morning. Looking forward to being a "real" member of Glock Talk. Tinus Wanna kill these ads? We can help!