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New 10% Gun Tax

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by EdTracker, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. EdTracker

    EdTracker GTDS Lifetime Member

    Oct 26, 2002
    Since the NRA offered a solution to the perceived Evil Black Rifles (AR-15 style) threat there have been discussions regarding who is going to pay for the NRA recommended increased security of schools. I figured a preemptive discussion might be worthwhile.

    IFF (If and only if) there were no new bans or restrictions on EBR's what do you think of a 10% tax on all firearm sales that would go to pay a safety / education fund. This fund would pay for guards in schools and teach firearm safety?

    There are currently taxes on many hunting implements (namely a tax on arrows) that are used to pay for wildlife management. (...IRC 4161 imposes an excise tax on the sale of sport fishing equipment, bows, archery equipment and arrow shafts...)
  2. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

    Dec 28, 2000
    No. The power to tax is the power to raise the tax to prohibitive levels.

    You are agreeing that punishing all those who did not break the law is the correct way to go.
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012

  3. raven11


    Jan 27, 2009
    no, not a inch of ground given

    don't punish lawful gun owners for the actions of the mentally insane , cook country, IL tried to get a tax on ammo passed to fund the gangbangers that get shot up and arrive at the hospital for free treatment and even they figured out it was stupid and dropped the idea
  4. aircarver

    aircarver Ride Continues Silver Member

    This ! ... :thumbsup:

  5. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

    May 24, 2000

    Ed, a 10% tax on firearms would make you the dog in your avatar......
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  6. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

    Sep 5, 2010
    Have violent felons pay a "protection" fine as part of their sentencing and use those funds. After all, a violent felony created the problem, violent felons should be part of the solution.
  7. PaulMason


    Feb 10, 2010
    Have you done the math - cost of security minus (total gun annual gun sales x 10%) = ?
  8. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

    Sep 5, 2010
    Given the ammount of violent felonies committed across the United States, if each one was fined 1k as part of their sentencing, that would shore up the funds nicely.
  9. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

    Feb 22, 2005
    Republic of Texas
    Here in Texas, I've been against any new school bonds. Why? Have you seen some of the schools they are building? Some of them are like luxury castles. A few in the Dallas Area I have visited remind me of visiting some of opulent castles built by Ludwig II in Bavaria. They don't need to be dingy dungeons, but they are way more expensively built than they need to be.

    That being said, I would vote for a bond for physical security at all schools in a heartbeat. My youngest graduates this year, and I'd still vote for it.

    It doesn't have to be expensive. Fire a vice principle, and you could easily hire one or two armed guards with what they make. Hinged steel door bars on the inside of the classroom. A simple heavy gauge bar with brackets would be a bullet resistant barrier device.

    There are plenty of cheap ways to secure schools.
  10. NDCent

    NDCent Socially Inept

    Mar 19, 2010
    We pay enough taxes.
  11. aircarver

    aircarver Ride Continues Silver Member

    Boy Howdy !

    The "I want it all .... & I want it NOW !!" generation ... :upeyes:

  12. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

    Sep 5, 2010
    They do that because of "Bubba Deals". So and so is on the city board of commisioners and a relative contractor of his would like to strike it rich, then you foot the property tax bill to fund his life of luxury and security.

    Now, back to my point, fine the violent felons as part of sentencing and use those funds. Problem solved.
  13. FullClip

    FullClip NRA Benefactor CLM

    Even if a 10% tax on firearms was passed, that money would most likely just end up going into the general slush fund to buy more "Bama-Fones" and pay the rent, utility and cable bills for the Section-8 Queens.:upeyes: way will I support a tax, user fee, registration fee or whatever name they try to use.
  14. K.Kiser


    Jan 23, 2010
    Shreveport, La.
    I do applaude your willingness to pay for an improvement to this problem, I think that's honorable... I also agree it would show we are willing to give toward something of which we are not the problem, and further making us the scapegoat and the whip-beating provider which is what the gun control advocates want...

    What we have to remember is that once the gov't is allowed to have the slightest small part of their toe in the door they NEVER STOP THERE, EVER... They are like the drug headed friend or family member that you loan $5 bucks too, it turns us into the enabler... It never stops there until a line is drawn in the sand, which should happen from the get-go..

    The very fabric of a politician and his orgination is a creature that want's it all, and they expect it for nothing... Shut the door in there face and let them hear the loud sounds of multiple locks and turn lugs cranking into place...

    I'm not against paying something toward what you've proposed, but I'd rather do it on a private and local scale instead of letting a gov't official touch a single cent... I dont have the details of the logistics that it would take, but I'd be willing to talk about privately owned and locally funded security teams that could specialize in such tasks...

    I'd be willing to complete whatever necessary training would be needed to take part in it, but I'd also like it to be very non-mall cop type stuff or we'd see a media backplash... At this point in my life (36 years old yesterday) I would jump at the opportunity to make a real difference, and I can certainly say I feel very strongly toward this cause...
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  15. VC-Racing

    VC-Racing General Flunky

    The only way i would support a tax, the Only way ......... it would have to be specific about the use. No variance. Specific use only. However the government won't do that, because the surplus it would create for that specific use would be tempting to quietly move to some form if pork..... so it would never happen ....

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    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  16. waawaaweenie


    Feb 6, 2012
    middle of PRK
    here in Kalifornia, the schools already cost more to build, per square foot than the lavish hotels and casinos in Vegas.

    the stupid citizens here voted for a proposition about 10 years ago that required 51% of the state budget to go to the schools and all the school people still whine that they do not get enough money

    like was posted above, they could trim back on the upper management of the schools and have way more money than needed for great armed security and reinforcing the classrooms.
  17. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

    Sep 5, 2010
    Whether it is Federal, State, or local, a govenment official would be touching all the cents.

    As to mall cops, look at what TSA was before they were TSA. They were the airport equivalent.

    Anywho, why are we taxing the good people and not fining the bad people to solve this problem.

    My social math is simple. Good people didn't cause the problem. A violent bad person did.

    Therefore take the funds from the violent bad people.

    I can't make it more simple than that.
  18. stillbill


    Jan 14, 2005
    Why now add a new tax on children.

    The parents already get tax breaks for having children.

    Everyone pays to provide education, even if you do not have children.

    Why not have the parents pay to protect their children.
  19. Z71bill


    Feb 19, 2007
    Taxes & firearms. :whistling:

    Make guns, magazine & ammo purchases tax deductible.

    ARs, AKs and any gun/mag that holds more than 10 rounds also gets a refundable tax credit = to 25% of the cost.

  20. ERASER

    ERASER Nyuk,Nyuk,Nyuk!

    Jan 23, 2000