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Neighbor buys guns for upstate NY firemen shooter

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Mr981, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. Mr981


    Dec 27, 2000
    N. Central OH
  2. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

    Jan 9, 2002
    Outside the perimeter
    I guess my question is not whether he should be able to buy a gun or what punishment should be accorded to Ms Nguyen, but rather why would a man who bludgeoned his grandmother to death ever be released from prison. If he's sane he should be put to death, and if not responsible for his actions he should be locked up forever. I don't think "homicidal maniac" is something we can cure, and anyone who wants to let guys like this out should put their lives and the lives of their loved ones up as a bond. I doubt their faith in him would go that far.

  3. G26S239

    G26S239 NRA Patron

    Mar 17, 2008
    Up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Potential sentences are listed in the bottom paragraph of the letter. With 3 murders and arson connected to this particular straw purchase Miss Nguyen should be nervous about now.
  4. Looks like the information on that yellow (now white) form sticks around. We already have de-facto gun registration.
  5. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

    Jan 9, 2002
    Outside the perimeter
    I didn't think anyone ever said that 4473s weren't forever. Or am I missing something?
  6. samurairabbi

    samurairabbi Dungeon Schmuck

    Dec 31, 1998
    Indianapolis, IN
    [sarcasm] If the lady had been a Glocktalk regular, she would have known enough to claim the weapons had been lost in her freak Long Island Sound boating accident. An unreported theft of recently purchased firearms is a clear indication of inept thinking. [/sarcasm]
  7. That is a huge problem we have in this country that the media and President don't seem to be talking about. Repeat violent offenders. Probably could reduce our murder rate in half right there :)
  8. jtull7

    jtull7 Pistolero CLM

    Jan 27, 2006
    Santa Fe, New Mexico
    If I was the DA in that jurisdiction, I would charge her with capital murder and go for the death penalty. I believe I would win.
  9. skinny99

    skinny99 Crew Chief

    Oct 30, 2011
    I am not sure you would win. But an awful good case would be made and you would be right. Maybe be able to help change the laws.

    This is a law that should be strengthened and enforced. There should be very severe consequences for buying guns for a person that is not allowed to have them. That would be a good step.
  10. TK-421


    Oct 12, 2012
    Pflugerville, TX
    I think it depends on what state you're in. I think I've heard some states say they have to be destroyed in 30 days, and other states say you're required to keep them for 10 years. But I could be wrong, my memory is notoriously crappy.
  11. G26S239

    G26S239 NRA Patron

    Mar 17, 2008
    That sounds like a serious stretch to me jtull. If the jury believes that she admitted buying the guns for the Spengler I can see the straw purchase and lying to investigators charges sticking. Would the lying to investigators be considered obstruction of justice?
    I can see a judge sentencing her to the max given the outcome of her straw sale but murder 1 seems unlikely to me especially given the 2.5 year lapse between the straw sale and the murders/arson.
  12. for her to be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, they would need more than a straw purchase and lie on a 4473.

    The would easily win for the following;

    However, you may not transfer a firearm to any person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), (n), or (x)

    if the can show she knew he was prohibited.
  13. jph02


    Jun 10, 2012
    If you ask me, she should be charged as an accessory to premeditated murder. The penalty in NY is the same as if she had set the fire and pulled the trigger herself. She is responsible for aiding and abetting a known criminal and should be held accountable.
  14. fireguy129

    fireguy129 NRA Member 2008

    May 31, 2001
    Northeast Pa, usa
  15. vikingsoftpaw

    vikingsoftpaw DEPLORABLE ME!

    Aug 29, 2009
    Willoughby, Ohio USA
    Go directly to jail...
    Do not pass go...
    Do not collect $200....

    Oh wait she's female.

    There was a chick involved in a similar way at Columbine. LEO didn't press the issue.

    Normally she could wiggle her backside and get off easy. In the post Sandy Hook, era this is a bit more difficult to accomplish.
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2012
  16. vikingsoftpaw

    vikingsoftpaw DEPLORABLE ME!

    Aug 29, 2009
    Willoughby, Ohio USA
    4473's are a Federal Issue (ATF). They require them to be maintained for 25 years.
  17. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

    Feb 22, 2005
    Republic of Texas
    Only if you can prove that the guns killed the firemen, and not the shooter.

    I'd think that the straw purchase, and maybe some conspiracy charges would be in order, especially if she was paid to buy the guns for him knowing he was not able to buy them himself.

    I'm not a lawyer, and I don't pretend to be an expert in the law, but murder seems a bit unfair here.
  18. Henry's Dad

    Henry's Dad woof, woof

    What if someone else (who didn't know him) had sold him the guns in a legal FTF private sale?

    Let's say the seller asked if there was any reason the buyer shouldn't be allowed to buy the guns, and he lied to the seller.

    (Not sure NY's laws on this, but let's assume such sales are legal, as they are in many states.)

    Would you still want the seller to be held legally accountable? Or did my hypothetical seller do everything that could be reasonably be done to have not sold guns to a felon?
  19. roger123


    Feb 23, 2012
    VA Beach, VA
    But that's not what we're speaking of here. In this case she lied about the guns being stolen, and it looks like she knew he was a wack job. That's why she went to the police when she heard what happened.

    In your scenario if the seller did everything according to the law then they would be ok. Two completely different situations.
  20. G26S239

    G26S239 NRA Patron

    Mar 17, 2008
    Not unless it could be reasonably established that the seller had reason to now of Spengler's back ground. Dawn Nguyen willingly lied to get the guns for Spengler. It apparently either did not occur to her that bad could come of it or she just did not care. I suspect she cares right about now. It certainly won't break my heart if she gets max consecutive penalties for her contribution to this murder and arson scheme.