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Need some guesses on a starting load...

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by XDRoX, Oct 16, 2011.


  1. XDRoX

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    I need some experienced guesses as to where I should start my 380 WST load.

    I'm trying to compare it to W231. The problem is in some loads like 45, you need less WST to achieve the same velocity as 231.

    In other loads, like 9mm, I load more WST to achieve the same velocity as 231.

    So I'm confused :dunno:
    WST is a little faster than 231, so that would tell me to start a little lower, but I'm not sure.

    The good news is I will be firing these over a chrono and plan on working my way up. I just need a place to start.

    For reference this is Freakshow's 380 load. I will be using the same bullets and OAL.

    100gr Berry's
    3.2gr of W231
    .980" OAL

    So what do you guys think? I'm thinking 3.0gr of WST is probably safe but wanted some more opinions.

    I'm seriously considering buying one of these to test loads in. It's on sale today at my LGS for $129 and from what I hear they can take a serious beating.:whistling:

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    My eyes are burning after seeing the pic of that Hi-Point. May want to post a warning next time before posting a pic of such a fugly gun.:supergrin:
     

  3. scattershot

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    Don't guess. Use published data.
     
  4. ColoCG

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    Your right on track Chris I would recommend starting between 2.5gr to 3gr WST with the 100gr. Berry's in the .380acp.

    I've loaded up to 3.1gr. with the 100gr. Berry's RNHB bullet loaded to .970" col.

    I've also loaded the 102gr. Rem. GS at 3.1gr. of WST with a col of .955" which was required for good functioning in a Ruger LCP.

    I was averaging about 850fps with the Berry's and 865 fps with the GS. WST seems to work very good in the .380.

    Good Luck, Charlie.
     
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  5. XDRoX

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    Thank you Charlie. This is exactly what I needed. I'll start around 2.7gr and work it up a little over a chrono.

    I will also be using them in an LCP. It's my first 380. I can't wait.

    Another question. Do you know what's better, hollow back or normal RN's from Berry's? I can't decide what to get.

    Thanks again.
     
  6. XDRoX

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    Now where's the fun in that :tongueout:
     
  7. XDRoX

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    Here it is:
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  8. ColoCG

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    I haven't tried Berry's flat base but have had good luck with the HB. The HB gives you a longer bearing surface on the small bullet to load. It also forces the weight to the nose of the bullet which should give better accuracy.:dunno:
     
  9. XDRoX

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    Boxer Glocker just PM'd me and said he doesn't have a preference either. Guess I'll try the HB's.

    They are still completely encased in copper right?
     
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    Of the 3-4 K .380 ACP I've loaded in the past couple years most have been the standard Berry's FB, .980 is the OAL I use for my P3AT. I have tried the 500 or so of they HB and don't find any advantage for my particular load.
    I use Freakshows HP-38 load but have tried WST and at 3.2 get about 870 FPS with the 100g Berrys bullets.
     
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  11. ColoCG

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    Yours kind of looks like this:



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    And yes the HB are completely enclosed.

    At the distance you will shoot, the bullets probably perform the same.
     
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    I haven't used WST in the 380 but starting loads for W231 should be safe at any bullet wt. They are that close in burn rate.
     
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    In general, how do your reloads compare to factory ball ammo? I haven't had a chance to shoot my LCP too much so far but I figured out pretty fast that you shoot those guns at the distance of a long stick. The trigger is horindous but they are fun to shoot on the range. Mine is fairly accurate at 7 yds.
     
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    I use 90g Horandy Critical defense or SPEER GOLD DOT GDHP 90gr for my carry loads but to answer your question. I find my 100g Berrys .380 loads generally have less felt recoil at the same PF (86-92) and are more accurate than factory loads at distances of 7-10 yards with my KelTec PF-9.
     
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    I haven't shot any factory ball ammo, but like Boxer I also carry Hornady CD. in 90gr. and Speer 90gr. GD.

    Accuracy with reloads has been about the same as these factory loads or better at 7yds. with less felt recoil.

    Velocity wise I measured 865fps with the CD. and 935fps with the GD. both 90gr. in my LCP.
    Handloads with 100gr. Berrys RNHB and 3.1gr. WST I got about 864fps with the 102gr. Rem. GS bullet and 3.1gr. WST 867fps.

    ETA: By the way the laser increases accuracy over the standard sights a lot. But on really sunny days and depending on your target it can be a little hard to locate.
     
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    How did these work out? Having just tried my first .380 loads (with Universal), I'm looking to switch powders, and my only viable options that I have on hand are Clays and WST.

    I had to dump unburned Universal out of the chrony when I was done testing today. :(
     
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    The theory behind that is suspect. In almost all cases, wt to the rear provides better accuracy. Why jhp tend to shoot better than fmj. Match rifle bullets generally have a small HP cav in the nose.
     
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