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Need opinions on this .22lr target rifle setup before I buy.

Discussion in 'Rimfire Forum' started by jnewguyin, May 31, 2010.

  1. jnewguyin


    Dec 5, 2009
    So I want to start rimfire target shooting. I'm about to start graduate school and going to be poor for atleast the next 5 years. I want a hobby thats relatively cheaper than shooting 9mm glocks. I want to be able to shoot between 50-100 yards. I just realized started three sentences in a row with the word "I" (technically four).

    I did some research on .22lr rifles and I'm leaning heavily on the Savage MarkII-BV. So far this is the list of parts I'm looking at:

    1. Savage arms MarkII-BV

    2. Mueller 8.5-25×44AO Tactical

    3. Caldwell Rock Front Shooting Rest

    4. Bushnell Sportview 20-60x60mm Spotting Scope

    I think this is everything I need to start right? Am i missing anything? Everything I listed is within my price range. Any opinions are welcomed.
    Last edited: May 31, 2010
  2. jnewguyin


    Dec 5, 2009
    Initially I was settled on the 10/22. I then spoke to an employee where I work (UT-Austin) and he recommended I do more research and mentioned savage arms. He believed a stock 10/22 isn't the best option for target shooting. I looked at the 10/22 target model and its more expensive than the Mark II-BV, but I hear more good things about the MarkII-BV. Unless I'm mistaken, out of the box, the barrel of the MarkII-BV is free floated for most of the length of the barrel. Honestly I didn't even know free floating and heavy barrels didn't matter until recently. I thought a stock carbine 10/22 is enough, im finding out that that's not really true.

  3. 98_1LE


    Oct 17, 2005
    Spend some time reading here first.

    I would suggest a proper front rest rather than the bipod. The Savage is a fine shooting rifle. Generally speaking, most bolt-action .22's will out shoot a stock 10/22 carbine.

    Another thing to consider is ammo. Most suggest trying a number of different rounds to see which your rifle likes best. My advice would be to buy a case of the same lot of it once you find it.
    Last edited: May 31, 2010
  4. Twisted Steel

    Twisted Steel And Sex Appeal

    Apr 28, 2002
    If you are looking for a hobby that's "relatively cheaper than shooting 9mm Glocks", stay away from the 10/22. You will spend a lot of time and effort getting it reliable and then accurate. That's why all the after market items. The 10/22 seems to be literally hit or miss (and that's based on people claiming theirs is the greatest thing since sliced bread) in quality.

    I have a Savage. It's a sweet rifle to shoot. Mine doesn't have the AccuTrigger, but if you can find one that does, grab it. The trigger job is about the easiest I've ever done, and made it quite nice. The process can be found at Rimfire Central in the Savage sub forum.

    I can run a dollar bill between my barrel and stock the entire length of barrel, to the first bolt. If that makes it free floated.

    You can't go wrong with it.
  5. jnewguyin


    Dec 5, 2009
    Thanks for the advice, I edited my original post by replacing the bipod with a caldwell front rest.
  6. What type of "Target Shooting" are you planning on doing?

    Are you talking about just going out to the range and shooting at paper or are you talking about formal target competitions?

    If you are talking about formal target competitions what type? The type of competition will dictate the rifle and optics you buy.

    I think the scope power is a bit high for a .22. I see you have the bench shooting stuff taken care of, but eventually you'll get bored of shooting off the bench. Even at 8x you'll see nothing but shaking if you try to use that scope for standing target shooting. I think a 4-12x scope is plenty for a .22LR unless you are shooting 100 yard prone matches.

    But if you go with that scope there is no reason to get the spotting scope. You should be able to see your bullet hits out to 100 yards or further just looking through the rifle scope. Past 100 yards you'll have trouble seeing the .22 hits with that spotting scope.
  7. Titurel

    Titurel Brick Eater

    Feb 12, 2006
    I would suggest also looking at the CZ 452 (or 453) Varmint. Mine has been a fantastic shooter. It is a very satisfying, solid gun that feels more like a center-fire rifle than a .22lr.

    I agree that your proposed scope is a bit strong, 16x or 18x would be enough and even with that magnification there is little need for a spotting scope at under 100yards.

    Here are some targets with the CZ at 75 yards, shot off of a Harris bipod:

  8. Clem Eastwood

    Clem Eastwood

    Mar 7, 2004
    DFW, TX
    most people would be hard pressed to be a more capable shooter than a savage target rifle is. i have both CZs and a savage, the CZs are nicer, but the savage is almost as accurate for less money.

    as far as that scope, the problem you run into with a scope with that much power is that it going to have less internal adjustment than a lower power scope. and IMO, 1/8 MOA adjustments are a big pain in the ass.

    also, you wont need a spotting scope for 100y with a 16x or higher power with a .22, now if you are shooting in the heat you will start seeing mirage above about 12x in the heat.

    here are some of my 100y targets with my cz 452 and a 3-9 weaver scope. the load on the left is eley and the load on the right is aguila.


    here is another 100y target using eley. one shot i pulled a little, but its still in the 10 ring.


    and another 100y, this was with federal gold metal 711b


    you dont need a bunch of scope power or a spotting scope to shoot a .22 well at 100. you need fundamentals, quality ammo and a repeatable optic (an AO will help a lot), and good wind reading skills. the more time you spend doing it the better you will be. have fun.

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  9. jnewguyin


    Dec 5, 2009
    Well, I decided to go the cheap route first to see if i actually like .22 lr rifles. After some more research I decided to get a marlin 60 over a 10/22 I hear better reviews about the marlin's accuracy out the box. I saw a marlin 60sn I wanted for 158 on this local shops website. When I went there this employee, really cool old gentleman, tried to convince me get a 10/22 but I insisted on the marlin I saw on their site.
    they couldn't find it but they did find a Marlin 60S Ducks Unlimited Edition. It has a carbon fiber stock, ss finish barrel and a 4x20 scope and a 15 shot tubular magazine. Supposedly its pretty rare. The employee was way more excited about it than I was because I didn't know much about it and he looked up the price on it and said it should cost about 260. I was kind of discouraged about the price. The employee asked me if i wanted him to go to the owner to double check on the price, I said sure.

    Well after talking to the owner he walked back to the counter looking super excited and super secretive and said the owner didn't care about the rifle being a ducks unlimited edition and said to sell it as a regular marlin 60S which came to 205. I thought alright that sounds kind of reasonable. So i bought it.

    He suggested i give it a quick clean and to buy 50 rd boxes of different kinds of ammo and to first test to see if it cycles about 10 rds and out of those that work see which one is the most accurate. So that's what i will do.

    ALSO they had an AA kit but it was for a 17 i have a 19 and a 26. I asked what the turn around time was for an AA kit and he said about 10 days so I put a deposit down for one.
  10. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Member Millennium Member

    Dec 25, 1999
    You don't need a spotting scope, you have one bolted to your rifle. If you can't see .22 holes on your targets at 100-200 yards, get a better scope.

    Good rifle choice. Very accurate right out of the box, unlike a 10/22.
  11. petekim


    Feb 6, 2009
    I own both. A couple of Marlin 60's and three Ruger 10/22's. Out of the box they're about the same. The Rugers is easy to tinker with and have TONS of aftermarket stuff if you want to personalize yours. My dead stock 10/22T will put 5 rounds through the same hole @ 25 yards.
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2010
  12. jnewguyin


    Dec 5, 2009
    I tried out the marlin 60 last night with a box of cci mini mag, the scope is just a 4x20, for now I just want to have fun with that scope but I think i'll need a spotting scope. I was trying to sight in the scope but the bench at the range was really uncomfortable on my elbows so another time. Right now Im just having fun playing with it stock, I've ordered a bunch of different ammos to test out later on when I have free time.

    First impression, I really like it. the look of my rifle is a little flashy but im not trying to be tactical with this. this is what it looks like:

    The loading is awkward but can't really complain about it. I'm right handed but left hand dominant so I shoot left handed and the casings sometimes burn me but meh. Looking forward to more fun in the future with this rifle.
  13. graycrait


    Aug 29, 2006
    Clarksville, TN
    The scope I have come to like for my .22s over all others is the Weaver 2-7x28. Doesn't add much profile or bulk, easy to use and does what it needs to do at .22LR ranges. Just keep the Marlin Mdl 60 clean. That action collects crud and the .22LR is notoriously "dirty" ammo. I fix guns for friends, and have and do have quite a few .22s. The only problems I have seen with Mdl 60s is dirt and crud build-up. Like other posters have said, if you get the .22LR "bug" get a CZ, I've had a couple and have one now. With a simple trigger kit it is a joy to shoot. However, semi-autos can have a big fun factor in informal shooting.