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Need help Gentleman, Advice needed

Discussion in 'The US Air Force Forum' started by BigBore45, Nov 12, 2006.

  1. BigBore45

    BigBore45

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    Tell me about the pros and cons of the Air Force Reserves? I have a friend who just finished Basic and tech training. He is an E3 and is in the Security Forces. A little background on me- I'm 25 I work in Law Enforcement my wife is 100% supportive parents thats another story they are worried I may be deployed which may be true but many serve away from home for long periods of time. I am told it is getting better in Iraq? I just heard this from officers who have returned. They tell me its more training and cleaning up and helping them establish a government more than warefare. They do have the occasional threats. Correct me politely if i'm wrong at all as this is what I have been told. I am asking those of you who serve to let me know what its like in the Air Force. I want to be Security Forces or Intelligence. That will give me a good background toward the Federal Government which is my goal in the civilian world. Any advice would be highly appreciated. The military will help me serve my country and help me advance in school and my civilian job as well. It will benifit my family as well. I just need advice as to which branch to join. I am told the Air Force treats their reserves the best. Help me please.
     
  2. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

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    I'm overseas, been in a year and a half, and in SF. Air National Guard guys who are SF appear to have it pretty good (we have a bunch over here), but I don't know exactly how their system works out, i'm active duty.


    SF is moving more airbase defense and less LE (some say no LE) in the near future from what I have heard and seen.

    Meeko here on GT is a long time SF guy, he can tell you more, but for recent tech school/basic training experience i can tell you some.
     


  3. Sam White

    Sam White I miss you bud Silver Member

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    Take a look at the Air National Guard as well. The Air Guard and Air Force Reserve have minor differences in policies here and there and you may find one more favorable to you. You also may be more likely to find an Air Guard base near you than a Reserve one- there is at least one Guard base per state. You may find promotions come a little faster in the Guard due to different regulations. I switched to the Air Guard from the Army Reserve this year and like it a lot better. They look after you more and take more of an interest in developing you, and the atmosphere is professional but laid back. From what I've seen either flavor of the Air Force would be an excellent choice.
     
  4. BigBore45

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    Thank you all for your help. I am pretty positive I am going to join the Air Force reserves. I live 20 minutes from Hill Air force Base so reporting for duty will be positive and not a long drive. I appreciate the advice gentleman. I'll be sworn in some time next week I hope. I'll keep you posted. I'm sure I'll have more questions for you in the near future. God bless and be safe.
     
  5. Sam White

    Sam White I miss you bud Silver Member

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  6. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

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    If you've already got LE training, basic training is pretty much a cakewalk, run like hell, keep your mouth shut. It's different now from when I went through ( i was in the last, literally THE LAST flight group that folded anything, now they roll it all), mostly because now they get M16s to carry everywhere and fieldstrip all the time, instead of never seeing one till the 5th week of basic and only getting to play with it for a day or so.

    Tech School is fairly easy just read your material, pay attention, ask some questions and you're ok.
     
  7. themouth1

    themouth1 Guns & Guitars

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    With the Reserves, you really need to be ready to deploy pretty frequently. Don't buy in to the recruiter BS that you get to pick when you go( I am an USAF recruiter). It is a lot easier for the Air Force to deploy a reservist than to deploy and active duty member and then have to back fill them with a reservist anyway...I am not trying to be negative but, the facts are the facts. I think if I had a choice (I don't I am active duty) I would go with the ANG. Better promotion rates and deployments are usually less frequent. In the 3P031 career field though, deployment rates accross the board are pretty high. There is a reason 15-35 percent of the total number of recruits this year will be cops...
     
  8. BilltheCat

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    The guys before me can tell you about nowadays, but I know something about intel having been a 20170 before getting out. The reserve intel types stayed with their guard aircraft wherever they went.

    Its mostly flightline sitrep breifings and debreif upon RTB.
    Not a good feild for government work unless you can get into the DIA (Defense Intel Agency), or NSA.

    I would imagine most of that work is follow the terrorist by satellite these days.
     
  9. meeko

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    Actually the Air force can't just "deploy" reserve or Guard units on a whim. They usually ask for voulenteers first. Then they will either have to go to a full or partial activation. For example like almost every Security Forces SQ in the ANG and Reserve my SQ was activated on 9/11 per presidential order. This initially was to last 365 days. Then extended for an additional year. Not everyone stayed the whole 2 years. Our CC started deactivating folks at the 365 day mark per there time spent away (deployed). (If you did your time you were let go before the baggage was).

    Now in Jan of 06 we had a partial activation of ANG and Reserve ACC command SFS guys. this was supposedly done under the same presidential order for 9/11. I'm not a legal expert so not 100% but anyway. The AF needed 500 cops for 179 day deployments. The guard bureau put stipulations on it though. If you spent time in the AOR since 9/11 you could not be mandatoried to be deployed. They asked for voulenteers but if your time was in you couldn't be made to go. Sort of payback for the ones that had the drama and couldn't go the first time.

    Yes as a AF Cop you will be tasked more than most other fields in the ANG and Reserve but there is a set protocal unless you voulenteer to get "pimped out" by yourself.


    As far as differences between the Guard and Reserve. The reserve is stricly a federal mission. The ANG is both federal and state. As an ANG you can be put on "state orders" for natural disaters and such. On state orders you are not subject to posse comitatis (sp) because you are acting by order of your state GOV. Thats why the Guard is used in extreme times of civil unrest and can have powers of arrest. the government is very sparing though on giving a green light only in the most dire of circumstances. (Yes the 82nd Airborne was brought into New Orleans for Katrina but that was a PR issue)

    I have 21 years combined in active duty and the ANG as a Security Forces troop. Don't know everything but been around and seen alot too.
     
  10. Sam White

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    I'm in the ANG but I'm not a cop. We just had about 1/3 of our state's ANG go downrange and all but a few were volunteers. The ANG for a lot of trips downrange also does not do full 6 month rotations- elements from different states' Guard units will send volunteers and split up a 6 month rotation of x troops into a bunch of rotations with different numbers in each. I helped make up C bags for a bunch that would do about 45 days of a rotation. As mentioned by meeko, however, there is another chance to volunteer- IMA. You are reserve component but get to go with an active duty unit and do what they do.
     
  11. MrMurphy

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    Yeah, we actually have a couple people that are usually reservist wives or husbands of active members of our unit, like one couple who just PCSd back to the land of people who actually work (i.e not Europe), husband was active duty cop, wife was IMA, when I got here, she was just like active duty.....stayed on for like 9 months then "done!" then a while later came back on for another 3-4 months before they left.
     
  12. themouth1

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    All of the above posts are why I recommend the Guard over the Reserve. As far as people in Europe not working, I am not sure where you have been but, in my time in Europe I worked twice what I do stateside. Overseas is more of what I like to call the "real" Air Force. Until you are stationed abroad, you may not understand.
     
  13. meeko

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    The IMA option is also something to think about. I have a friend that was IMA at Ellsworth AFB South Dakota. He just would show up when it suited his schedule. You just have to do X number of days per year. I checked into it once and as far as Security Forces it depended on what slot you were in on how many days you had to do. Flight level slots where something like 24 days or something. I saw a few back office slots that generaly were a few more days. I don't think they care if you want to do more. The IMA has it beat compaired to the ANG and reserve because there is always something you want to do that falls during Guard drill weekend. With the IMA you just show up when it works for you.

    The only down side is you sort of have to push your own paperwork and such through for pay and etc. there are IMA liasons but thats the way all sides (active ANG Reserve) are doing thing.
     
  14. themouth1

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    I agree 100 percent with the IMA thing. I had a TSgt come work for me a few years ago and he loved it. You just look around the world for a job and you go. The downside is that you have to be in the reserves first and you may have to commitments to your unit that you have to deal with as well. IMA doesn't change your reserve commitment.
     
  15. MrMurphy

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    I am currently stationed in Europe, and yes, we do work. I meant the local nationals, who do all they can to avoid it. (love socialism don't you? They still get paid).
     
  16. meeko

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    themouth, I'm not sure if I am hearing you right. Let me know but actually you don't have to be in the reserves first. Your IMA commitment is your commitment. No drills however just X number of days at your call. The AF Reserve is the ones that handle the program. The AF Reserve recriuters are the ones you need to see. It's sort of a hidden world. I have a little insight and it still took some effort on my part when I checked into it. If I didn't already have my 20 years in i'd probably transfer to an IMA spot. There is really no pressure once you have your 20 year letter and everyday is potential retirement day. A nice trump card to have.
     
  17. meeko

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    Sorry MrMurphy not trying to spin your last but I was just thinking about my time overseas with the lovely host nation mentality and something hit me. Actually the USA has socialism alive and well. It's called welfare!! Don't get me wrong if someone is say messed up from birth, or had a legitimate accident etc and can't work I don't have a problem however I notice from when I was a street cop that alot more people on welfare have all their mental and motor skills an 07 vehicle and cell phone (with camera and blackberry) and weekends and holidays off. I get sort of peeved.
     
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    I could be wrong(it does happen) but I am almost certain you have to be a member of a reserve unit to do man days(IMA). I have had alot of folks over the years that did man days. A few times in Italy, we had three from the same reserve unit in Oklahoma. How can you do IMA and not be in the active reserve??
     
  20. meeko

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    You don't have to join the reserve per say in a traditonal capacity however the reserve recruiters are the ones that you have to go through for an IMA position. As an IMA you are an Individual Military Augmentee (something close to that) Being an IMA you are assigned to a specific active duty base. You are required to do X number of days per year. The AF Reserve is in charge of the program. Your X number of days is all you do no weekend drills just those days reqiured. Thats the perk you schedule it so it works for you. A lot of IMA's are not even from the area their base of assignment is. One fella was a deputy sheriff in Florida and an IMA at Ellsworth. It worked out his wife was from the Ellsworth area so he just planned a working vacation for 24 or whatever days every summer.

    Now if you join a full reserve wing somewhere like say Grissom ARB Indiana. They have traditional drill weekends and two weeks annual training (AT) just like the ANG.