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My new Hunting Load (800X/200gr WFNGC/CCI350)

Discussion in '10mm Reloading Forum' started by Meathead9, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. Meathead9

    Meathead9

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    I finally reached my goal of pushing a 200gr WFNGC over 1300fps. I tried Blue Dot, Longshot, and Steel before I finally gave in and loaded up some rounds with 800X. While I still LOVE Longshot & Blue Dot, 800X is now my go-to powder for this bullet. BIG Thanks to Kegs for inadvertantly pushing me to try 800X with the 200gr Bullet.

    THESE ARE OVER MAX, PLEASE DO NOT TRY THESE LOADS.

    Sea Level, 75* F
    6" LWD Barrel
    Wolff 24# Spring
    1.255 OAL
    CCI350 Primers
    IMR 800X
    Starline Brass (unfired)

    9.0gr
    1373
    1367
    1372
    1332
    1363
    Ave: 1361
    ES: 89

    9.2gr
    1355
    1367
    1391
    1367
    1371
    Ave: 1370
    ES: 36

    9.4gr
    1410
    1395
    1372
    1402
    1386
    Ave: 1393
    ES: 38

    9.6gr
    1409
    1406
    1427
    1413
    1424
    Ave: 1416
    ES: 21

    I am MORE than happy with the 9.2gr load. It has an average well over 1300fps, tight ES, and all Brass/Primers look good. At 9.4gr, 1 out of 5 pieces of brass showed beginning signs of the infamous smile. At 9.6gr, ALL 5 pieces of brass showed beginning signs of the smile. There were NO visible cracks/tears, but there was a noticeable edge where the chamber was not supported.
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2010
  2. FTC

    FTC

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    200g at 1400 fps, so did you feel any recoil?:supergrin: thats smokin!
     


  3. Meathead9

    Meathead9

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    Believe it or not, between the Longslide and 24# spring, it didn't feel as harsh as I thought it would. I have some hot 155gr/BlueDot and 180gr/Longshot loads that have more felt recoil than these do. Also, with the 24# spring, the brass hit the ground about 8' away.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2010
  4. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    That is awesome and I'm glad I could help! :thumbsup:
     
  5. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    I won't be to popular for this but who cares... You keep shooting those and resizing them and you are asking for major trouble. I been doing this for about 15 years in the Glocks. I run some really scary loads. But this 800X loading beyond 9.0/9.2 is a very dangerous loading and will destroy brass fast, A.M. barrel or not. An A.M. barrel does NOT assure that you are perfectly safe with these type loads amigo. you will still have some hog belly on that brass, then you squeeze it back down, and fire it again, and if that place that was buldged is in the same place in the chamber on the next firing, you can have bad problems. I have not been listened to much on this around here, but I tell you for your own good, this is pushing the envelope to many times with the brass. Ask me how I know ;)

    I run 200gr cast performance wfngc with 10.5 grs Blue dot, and at 100yds takes deer clean with a shot placed correctly. There is no need to keep pushing the 800X. It is fun but foolish at best, and continue to use the same brass again. Let others do what they want, but it is not wise.....

    The 10mm is good for deer but past that it is not a good idea. I tell you this from 25 years of guiding hunts and almost 50 years of big game experience. Playin arond is one thing and using these vels for fun oK (sometimes) but to reuse the brass over and over is ridiculous. If you are not trying to build a king kong killer the try and stay aty at 8.0/9.2 max with the 800X, nothing past that really will give you any gain anyway.... ;)

    Friendly suggestion, you do what ya want to......



    Be safe




    CanyonMan
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2010
  6. Meathead9

    Meathead9

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    I appreciate your concern, but I started with NEW brass, and never implied that I would even consider reloading these cases.

    Also, as I posted above, I saw no need to load past 9.2gr either. All my cases looked fine at 9.2gr, and that load had a tight ES as well.

    I have decided since posting that data, that I need to load down to the 1300fps range. I don't need 1350fps, especially at the risk of blowing my hand off etc. I'm guessing it will be around 8.5-8.7gr.
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2010
  7. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    Cool. Just saying amigo......



    Good shooting




    CM
     
  8. g20addicted

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    How would you compare 800X with the N105 from Vihtavuori?

    Furthermore, to properly shoot the CCI350 (Large Magnum) primers you used, you had to change the firing pin spring to a heavier one or was it standard?

    thanks!
     
  9. Meathead9

    Meathead9

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    Unfortunately I don't have any experience with N105, so I can't give you an accurate comparison. But I can tell you that the stock firing pin spring in my G20L has no problem with magnum primers, or any other primers I have used.
     
  10. g20addicted

    g20addicted

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    Thank you, and also, have you also tried the factory 17lbs Glock recoil spring for this ammo (to see if there may be problems of cycling)?

    thanks again!
     
  11. Meathead9

    Meathead9

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    When I was still using the factory recoil spring, I had FTE/FTF issues every other round shooting DT's 200gr WFNGC. Their load averaged about 1215fps out of my G20L. My current load of choice averages almost 150fps faster, so I haven't even bothered trying it. All I know is that my 24# spring cycles them perfectly. My 22# spring worked too, but was still hucking brass 15'-20' away.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2010
  12. eman308

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    What sort of crimp are you using? Bout to trade my 5" LW for a 6" and bought sum DT 200's and am ready to give sum lead poisoning.
    Thanks,E.
     
  13. DWARREN123

    DWARREN123 Grumpy Old Guy

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    On Hodgdons load data web site IMR 800 X shows good speed and lower chamber pressures than about any of their other powders. I like Longshot for the 40 S&W but it looks like 800 X kicks it in 10mm.
     
  14. Meathead9

    Meathead9

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    I have my crimp set @ .005 less than the neck diameter. I have been trying to test whether or not my FCD post sizes the bullet enough to affect accuracy. I have some of these loads crimped with the FCD, and some crimped with an RCBS taper crimp die. Now I just have to find the time to go shoot.