using the method of sir Eye Cutter http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=288279 But only 3 thin directories is available so I also use old PC magazine (page is thicker than the directories). Gun----------G27 Bullets------Winchester Supreme SXT Talisman from twin pines HEAT Dart Tip twin pines Distance-----6 meters <img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/ersatz0906/2.jpg" alt="Image hosting by Photobucket"> <img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/ersatz0906/1.jpg" alt="Image hosting by Photobucket"> <img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/ersatz0906/3.jpg" alt="Image hosting by Photobucket"> any idea or comments on the result? why does Dart Tip make huge hole compare to the JHP? Dart tip also penetrates deeper. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!