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My first Nighthawk and question on finish issue

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by quantim0, Feb 19, 2010.


  1. quantim0

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    Got this in a few days ago. A Talon from Nighthawk. The pistol overall is way smoother and better finished then the other 1911s I've had (Colt XSE commander, TRP, and Baer Concept VII). The slide is as smooth as glass and the trigger breaks clean and smooth with a touch of pretravel and zero creep. The gun is perfect in terms of machine marks and dehorning. It's tough to explain what makes this gun better then my others, but it's just a much higher quality gun overall.

    My problem is the Permacoat on the rear of the slide. The rear is checkered to reduce glare and it does that very well for the most part. The problem is an area on the left of the checkering. It looks like the permacoat was applied too heavily and it filled in a lot of the depth the checkering has. That has caused that area of the slide to have significantly more glare in daylight then the rest of the slide, defeating the purpose of the checkering. I want to know if this is worth calling Nighthawk about and *****ing. I hope that they would be receptive and refinish the slide for me. I just want to make sure I'm not being unreasonable. The last two photos are an attempt to show the issue with the coating

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  2. larry1096

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    Nope. If it really glares, scuff it lightly with a scotchbrite. But based on that target, I wouldn't so much as take that thing apart to clean it...


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  3. bac1023

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    First off, congrats on the Nighthawk. It looks great.

    Unless it was a huge problem in sunlight, I doubt I'd send it back. Still, I'm not the one that just paid over two grand for that pistol. I'd have to see it for myself.

    I hate to say it, but I'm not a fan of Permakote. In my opinion, its one of the worst baked on finishes on the market, which is why both my Nighthawks are hard chromed.



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  4. willowofwisp

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    Hmm question Bac but will you always opt for hard chrome over other finishes? like something as durable as ION bond?
     
  5. quantim0

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    I got the Permakote because I love the way a worn 1911 looks. There's just something about it to me. If I got hardchrome or diamond black I wouldn't get that joy. Plus I can always refinish it later. No big deal. When I get my carry gun, probably a Talon II bobtail, I'll have it done in a more impervious finish since it gets hot and sweaty down here. I don't want to worry about rust or other associated issues with the finish. Your hardchrome gun, Dominator(?), with the spalted maple grips is one of the best looking guns I have ever seen. Next to your RRA.

    Regarding the rear of the slide, I think if the rest of the slide wasn't so impervious to glare, the small spot wouldn't be so noticeable. When you have a nice matte slide and one section glaring at you, it is noticeable to me. Plus it's on the back of the slide, I'll be seeing it a lot and I think it will drive me crazy.
     
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  6. beretta-neo

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    I hear Larry at Nighthawk is very friendly. he is on 1 of the 1911 forums, and answers questions in the nighthawk section a lot.

    For that kind of money, you should be satisfied. I'd call larry and speak to him about it if it bothers you
     
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    No.

    I just don't like Permakote.

    I have an ion bond 1911 and many other finishes.
     
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    Sorry, my two are an Enforcer and Predator II.


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  9. Rinspeed

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    Permakote has a horrible reputation, I have no idea why they still use it.
     
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    My partner has a Nighthawk. Zero issues with the permakote. His gun isn't any more reliable or accurate than my loaded. It just looks better, sounds better, smells better, and feels better. Beautiful guns.
     
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    I hear that a lot that a $800 gun shoots just as well as a $2000 one. Just tells me that neither one of you know how to shoot. :tongueout:
     
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    :rofl:

    Yeah, the Springfield Loaded and any of the Nighthawks are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
     
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    Good question. :dunno:
     
  14. quantim0

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    If I had a guess it would be it's they have a decent amount of capital invested in the process. It's at the point where it may not be in their interest to switch to a more expensive coating.

    I think with the reputation that Permakote has with some, it may be worth the money to improve it and come out with a new version. Maybe they're working on it now, who knows?
     
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    Do these people actually believe what they're telling us or do they just want us to believe it?
     
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    I think they feel better by saying it whether they believe it or not.
     
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    Wouldn't hurt to call NH. I hear raves about their CS. I might be tempted to very gently brush along the grooves with a soft brush, maybe brass bristle, to try to even up the finish.
     
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    My experience exactly. Let the internet rap battlers laugh. I'll take the real world any day.