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Muslims Stone Christians near Jakarta

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by DonGlock26, May 18, 2012.


  1. DonGlock26

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    Bad, bad Muslims.
     

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    I've seen you post that in response to threads where Muslims have done something jacked up. What is your point?
     
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    Merely reprimanding those bad, bad Muslims. There is no question that there are Muslims committing atrocious acts, but there are Christians here that act as if not condemning those acts is implicitly condoning them -- or at least that appears to be the standard applied to the atheists here.

    As sad as the stories often are, most of them aren't particularly interesting and worthy of comment, at least to me. That is not meant to be cruel, but what if somebody posted a thread every time that a girl was raped along with her photo, hopes and dreams? As horrible as each rape is, is every one worthy of discussion? Now what if not commenting on how horrific each one is meant that you must be a supporter of, or at least sympathetic to, people who rape little girls?

    That is the reason I jump in to admonish the bad guys.

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    Everyone knows where your sympathies lie. No need to keep up the reminders.

    Sad.

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  6. Fred Hansen

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    No doubt it was a peaceful stoning. They probably retired to their mud huts afterward for a nice meal of sate jamu.
     
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    Perfect example of what I'm talking about from another thread.

     
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    Feel free to show where I've been sympathetic to Islamic terrorism.

    Thanks.
     
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    Why don't we get to stone someone sometime? Turnabout is fair play.
     
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    Yes, remember the item I posted a while back on the Indonesian concentration camp for 'infidels', complete with barbed-wire fencing? To AM, that's the equivalent to a child abuse case by a single Christian parent.
     
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    Where did I say that? Could you point it out specifically please?
     
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    All one has to do is read your posts in this thread. Pretty simple, really.

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    You dont have to say things specifically. The whole body of your writing is what condemns you.

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    I get where you are coming from but the response seems dismissive and disingenuous. Christians do bad things also, sometimes because of their religion but in comparison, the numbers of such incidents in Islamic culture are epidemic.

    Christianity and Judaism have evolved to be benign for the most part. Islam has not done so in anywhere near the same context.

    While Islam is certainly not the greatest threat to the US/the World it is a significant religious/cultural threat. I think the Christians are giving you and others crap because they take the amount or your criticism of Christianity and not as much/lack thereof regarding Islam, as though they have parity.
     
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    Making this yet another conclusion you reach with a complete absence of supporting evidence.
     
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    Honestly I can not recall a single time you took issue with Islam the same way you do Christianity. Same with Grape. I think that is why you both get accused of being Christian haters. Some constancy with religions being foul, rather than harping on just one would go a long way.

    The issues I see you, Grape and others extoll about Christianity, Islam is currently guilty of ten times over.
     
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    I have, as has AG, when Muslims here have made the same kind of claims routinely made by Christians. That their holy book is absolutely true and should be followed by everyone to the exclusion of any contrary evidence. The difference is that those claims are made by Christians here every day and only rarely by Muslims, who are usually shouted down within a week and choose to leave.
    I can only respond to the posts that are made. The problem I have with threads like this one is the attempt to equate and indict all Muslims based on the actions of a minute minority of their faith, while the same actions by Christians are ignored or forgiven or explained away with an invocation of No True Scotsman.
    Harun Yahya is unquestionably as big a creationist loon as Ken Ham or Carl Baugh ever thought about being, but no one ever invokes him here, so there's no reason to bring him up.
     
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    OK I can dig on that considering there are not a lot of Muslims posting here. However when you state that it is only a minute minority of Muslims that is disingenuous. In comparison it is not a minute minority of their faith. There is no parity between modern Christians/Jews and Islam. Yes they are both guilty but to pretend that they are the same at this point and time is ridiculous.
     
  19. Animal Mother

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    Yesterday, snowbird quoted a number of 18,908, attacks by Muslims since 9/11. That's roughly 10 and a half years. Even if 100 different people were involved in each attack, that's 189,080 out of a population of 1.6 Billion Muslims. If .01% isn't a minute percentage what is?
    It's obvious that the majority of sectarian violence at this point in time is Muslim v. Christian and that the Muslims are frequently the aggressors. It's so obvious that constantly repeating is at best a barely concealed effort to paint all Muslims as complicit with Islamic terrorism.
    Who is pretending that? I'm pointing out that when it's violence committed by Muslims, the implication is that it is part and parcel of Islam, but that when it's violence committed by Christians, it is either explained away or (as we can see on the other ongoing thread) explained away by invoking No True Scotsman.
     
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    I nominate Juggy for the Christopher Hitchens honesty award for acknowledging the threat from radical Islam. It is clearly the #1 threat in the world today for Western style human rights we all value and take for granted.

    Islam may not be a threat to us today as it is in Europe, but I have heard of a reasonable scenario where it could be. Say in 50 years (less in Europe) an area with lots of Muslims like Detroit demands Sharia Law. This is rejected by the federal government, which triggers a Chechnya-style terror war, complete with attacks on schools, blowing up apartment buildings etc.