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Most accurate semi custom?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Comedian, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. Comedian

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    I don't currently own a 1911. I used to have the following: Springfield TRP, Kimber SIS and an Ed Brown Special Forces Commander. The TRP was the most accurate of the three. It was the most accurate pistol I've ever fired, in fact. It was also the most difficult to field strip and reassemble, by far. The full length guide rod didnt help. Im thinking about getting a 1911 and i want it to be laser accurate and reliable of course. I don't want to get another TRP because it was such a nightmare to get back together. Im appealing to the experts here to offer their suggestions.
     
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  2. nelamvr6

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    Les Baer guarantees his guns will shoot 3" groups at 50 yards.

    But I've heard they're tight as hell out of the box, so if you didn't like you TRP you may not like them.

    BTW, I wouldn't base an opinion of the Ed Brown pistols on a commander model, the shorter barrel will more than likely affect accuracy...
     


  3. glock2740

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    The 3" guarantee is standard. Baer offers a 1.5" @ 50 yard guarantee for an extra $300.
     
  4. nelamvr6

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    What are the limitations? Are you restricted to certain ammo?
     
  5. glock2740

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    Wilson and Nighthawk have 1" @ 25 yard guarantees, which is 2" @ 50 yards in theory. Most any semi-custom out there is going to be more accurate than you are capable of shooting, so it's more of an accuracy guarantee, just to say the gun will do it.
     
  6. skipsan

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    To the O.P., if the previously owned TRP was a non-railed variant, the reassembly/guide rod problem is easily solved with a retro guide rod/plug for about $20. If it was an Operator with the bull barrel, then I can't comment.

    I believe Baer has the best advertised accuracy with their 1.5" pistols. These can be had new for less than $2k, and less than that slightly used.
    Yeah, they're tight, but not unmanageable, and once the novelty of the tightness is gotten used-to, it's not an issue at all.
     
  7. Jim Watson

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    As I understand it, it is not a guarantee that the gun WILL shoot 3" or 1.5" groups, it is a guarantee that it DID shoot the specified group with their ammo in their Ransom Rest on their range. No promises that you can duplicate it.
     
  8. GeorgiaRedfish

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    Right behind you...
    Unless you have a ransom rest for a hand it will be a non issue, they are all more accurate than you will be able to shoot.
     
  9. glock2740

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    Baer shoots 10 rounds from a Ransom Rest to get the group. I've read what kind of ammo they use, but can't remember offhand. Like I said earlier, it's just that the gun has the ability, with at least some kind of ammo, to be able to shoot a 1.5" group @ 50 yards. Alot of guns from a Ransom Rest are capable of amazing accuracy, especially with a load that that particular gun likes.
     
  10. glock2740

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    Ditto.
    And ditto.
     
  11. Comedian

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    It was the non railed TRP. The guide rod spring was very strong also. Much harder to compress, than the spring in the Kimber.
     
  12. Comedian

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    I was able to shoot the TRP more accurately than the Kimber and Brown.
     
  13. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    Thinking of going with a GI guide rod in my TRP as well. Just not a huge fan of the FLGR either.
     
  14. nelamvr6

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    So far I haven't had a single issue with the FLGR on my Raptor. Maybe it's the implementation that's the difference?
     
  15. nelamvr6

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    Again, the shorter barrel on the commander size Brown no doubt affected the accuracy you were able to achieve.
     
  16. GeorgiaRedfish

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    Right behind you...
    Could have been many things to affect it, could've been the triggers one might have had more creep than the other, the sights might've been a little off on one, etc.
     
  17. nelamvr6

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    All true.

    But what I was getting at is that to make a fair comparison of the accuracy of the several semi-custom builders one should compare same-size pistols when possible.
     
  18. skipsan

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    The issue I had with my TRP was the sharp edges on the factory spring plug made compressing the plug/spring during reassembly a blood-letting experience. Conversion to the g.i. system (flat-faced plug) changed all that.
    The SA Owners Manual states that all full-size SAs have 16 lb recoil springs, and I have no reason to doubt that statement.

    Regarding Les Baer accuracy, the target supplied with my last Baer was a 3" square of cardboard with five holes in it. The max spread of the holes was less than 1.5". The holes were not clean and I suspect the ammo was some kind of round-nose. The target was unsigned, with no serial number on it tying it to the gun. Whatever. Its primarily for bragging rates--but the Baers are clearly, in my view, the best value of any of the limited production competition.
     
  19. nelamvr6

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    TRP owners should get one of these:

    http://www.slip2000.com/thumbbuddy.html