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More thoughts on Unique ( Sorry Jack!!)

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by davesretired1, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. davesretired1

    davesretired1

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    Tried my second round of using Unique for 230 gr. 45. This time I dropped the test loads from 6.2 and 6.5 to 5.6 and 5.8. Verified as best I could on two scales. When chrono'd, they had the following ES's.....5.6=104fps, and the 5.8 was 137. This from a G30 ( and as per previous suggestions I did move the chrono back to 10ft ). As a test, Cor-Bon 200 gr. JHP was 1060 fps, and Hornady Critical was 940 fps.

    I had also loaded up 20 rds. with 6.2 of WSF. Chrono avg for 10 rds was 810fps, and an ES of 30. Just ordered 8#'s of WSF. Unique might be a great powder for many people, just not for me.

    Dave
     
  2. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Prolly like the small primer .45 brass too, don't you heathen? :tongueout::supergrin:


    What bullet were you shooting? Fmj?
     


  3. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    I've always had great luck at 6.2 grains of Unique and a 230 fmj, 1.260" OAL. It doesn't surprise me that the extreme spread of your shots got bigger as you lowered the charge.

    Not to take anything away from WSF... great powder.
     
  4. fredj338

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    Unique just doesn't work for low pressure loads, it leaves unburned powder & you get wild vel swings. Run it above midrange, it settles down nicely & accuracy is quite good in any caliber, especially w/ lead bullets.
     
  5. davesretired1

    davesretired1

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    Thanks for the responses. Main reason I dropped down was due to the fact that the 6.2-6.4 loads of Unique were in a league with the Cor-Bon rounds, at least in the way they felt. Not something that I'd want to shoot a few hundred rounds of in a days practice. WSF is a lot nicer shooting powder ( for me at least ), and at just over 800fps is what I was aiming for. I still have some room before I hit the maximum loading for WSF, so I may try to up it a little. Ideal for me would be around 850fps. As they stand now, both my wife and I enjoy shooting the current loading and it's very accurate.
     
  6. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    10 feet is still too close for some chronos. Is it only a 10 foot range? I had the same "problem" with Unique when I first got it. Other ES's were fine, but the Unique was 100 or more. I was inside and figured if he chrono was reading without an error indication, it was reading properly.

    I clocked the same loads outside in proper light and the ES's fell in line. I then played around with the chrono a bit. I got good readings at 20 feet. I then shot the same load at 15 and they were still good. At ten feet I got some lowball numbers in the string. At 5 feet the 900fps rounds were all reading in the 600's.

    Different powders and guns and bullet weights will give different amounts of blast that can effect the chrono.
     
  7. tjpet

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    You're miles ahead going to WSF. Good for you. Great way to start the new year.
     
  8. cole

    cole Millennium Member

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    I've tried many types of powder over the years. Unique is a good powder for me. I currently run Unique in 9mm plated and BE in .45acp LRN and LSWC. Both may not be as "good" as others (e.g. as clean), but they offer a better value... and value is what I often go for in plinking loads. Guns get dirty, then guns get clean, whereas the extra money spent is gone for good. I use Unique and BE because they are cheapest, load data is abundant, they meter well in my SDBs, they are versatile and they plain work very well. I reload mainly to save money. IMO, safety as a given, some dudes way overhink things.
     
  9. MoneyMaker

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    6.0 grn Unique and 230 fmj MG or Remington bullet never failed me COL 1.255
     
  10. davesretired1

    davesretired1

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    Where I am, I get Unique and WSF for close to the same price. In fact, through my club, it's cheaper than in any LGS. I tend to value consistancy in my loads over saving a buck or two ( literally ). The difference between 6.2 of WSF versus 6.0 of Unique poundwise ( 7000gr per pound ) is 37 rounds. Personally, not enough for me to be concerned about especially when I consider the wide range of fps readings I'm getting from Unique. No disrespect is intended towards those who like Unique. It just doesn't work for me. Thanks for the comments.
     
  11. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Those who can't get Unique to meet their expectations have a very viable options... I believe they're called, AIRSOFT GUNS. :whistling:

    These pills are great! :banana::banana::banana:


    Jack
     
  12. cole

    cole Millennium Member

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    No-brainer there as I would likewise buy WSF over Unique if the price was the same for me. It's not, so I don't. Special circumstances, applications, deals, etc. are not the norm by definition (by being "special"). Online it's (typically) $20/8# difference and I buy 32# at a time. $80 is $80, especially given Unique works fine for me. Same deal with BE.
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2012
  13. arclight610

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    I use Unique pretty much exclusively for 45 ACP and 38. I think I load 5.8gr under a 230 SWC for .45.
     
  14. SPIN2010

    SPIN2010 Searching ...

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    My fave is 6.0 grains of Unique and a 230gr Berrys TCJ RN, 1.260" OAL, works like a charm in my 1911 or G21 weapon being both smooth and accurate.

    I am going to break with tradition though in my next session of .45 ACP by using AA#5 for about one hundred rounds of work up. :dunno: Might like it.
     
  15. D. Manley

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    I love Unique for my bedded plants...roses seem to thrive on it.

    :supergrin:
     
  16. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    CITIZENS BEWARE... yet another horticulturist flatlander with a gun. :supergrin:


    Jack
     
  17. fredj338

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    Try TG, my fav lawn fertilizer.:wavey:
     
  18. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Good God, another flower freak... I'm gonna go take more morphine. :faint:


    Jack
     
  19. unclebob

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    Fred just curious did you blow up a gun with TiteGroup? There has to be a reason you dislike it so much.