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Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by Allegra, Jun 29, 2005.

  1. Allegra

    Allegra

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    1. Shoot fast( pero walang miss) or shoot accurately ( puro A's ) muna?


    2. Mental ishtrategy :
    Ano maganda isipin, may kalaban ka sa match or your only competition is yourself?
     
  2. one_eye_kirat

    one_eye_kirat

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    1. I'd recommend shoot accurately first and always look at your front sight no matter what. Let your front sight act as your speedometer (nasa libro yan)hehehe.

    2. For starters, perform within your limits/capabilities. Common mistakes ko is laging ginagaya ko yung magagaling kaya laging may miss.
     

  3. mirko128

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    As a newbie, I follow the recommendation from some of the books I've read: work on accuracy first, speed will follow daw.

    The technique I'm trying to use is Charles Stephens', the book is How To Become A Master Handgunner : The Mechanics Of X-Count Shooting.

    I let another newbie friend read the book, nag-improve naman, although hirap pa rin sya sa Taurus 24/7 nya, tigas daw ng trigger e.
     
  4. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    there was an article in the old gun games magazine that world class shooters were trained to speed up first.
     
  5. JuDGe

    JuDGe

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    same thing i have read naman sa american handgunner magazine that one can always learn accuracy but speed has already to be there to start with.

    i always think of competing with myself only and improve from my last match.... kung iisipin ko pa yung iba, eh manonood na lang ako ng match... ang bibilis kasi nila eh ;f
     
  6. mc_oliver

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    1. Learn to shoot groups to get your basics down, at least keep it in the A at any given distance.

    Learn to move fast, you can do this without firing a single shot (read: dry fire). And you can practice moving fast cuncurrent with building your ability to shoot groups.

    Madali lang tumakbo ng mabilis, kahit puro kaliwa paa mo. ;f But without your basics down in shooting a decent group or if your groups are more like a shotgun pattern, mahirap tamaan yang 8" steel kahit nasa 10 yards lang yan. ;)

    2. It's always best to benchmark your performance against your previous ones lalo na kung noobi ka. Once your skill progresses and you start looking for your name from the top of the list (instead of the bottom), that's probably the time you start gauging your skills against others. But then again, you're still looking at self-improvement (from your current skill) to be able to claw your way to the top.

    My 2 pesos lang po. ;)
     
  7. Allegra

    Allegra

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    gagaling ng mga sagot ah :)
    keep it coming
     
  8. batangueno

    batangueno Shock Resist

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    1. For me parang mas maganda standing ko if i shoot fast pero walang miss. If i try to shoot all A's ang layo ko. Different story if you're in production, kailangan yata puro A's doon.

    2. Mas maganda if you think you're competing with somebody else. If you think of only yourself parang naglalaro ka lang not that there's anything wrong with that kasi ganun ang ginagawa ko. ;f
     
  9. jasonub

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    YODA- Dont think, do... feel the force flowing.

    Hangang dont think do lang

    Seriously i shoot accurately but never landed on top until recently. My first match was i landed 30+ on a level 2 match maybe 4 years ago. after that i decided to do better by practicing ipsc. run and gun. I never did shoot competitions again till october almost 2 years ago.

    When i shot i averaged 15-20th place or around 70+ percent on the first few matches. then one day i decided to run faster. Boiinggg i came in first 5 on most of the matches. So i decided to go even faster. Boingggg number 1 and 2 if i dont hit a penalty or miss. If i miss i usually end up 3-6 even on major matches.

    Its basically a balance that one has to find for himself.

    But for a newbie i will teach them the fundamentals of hitting A's at any distance. once you know how to call your shot and know absolutely where the bullet went after seeing your sights lift. I will start teaching movement.

    Speed seems to follow after accuracy but both should be learned. Now im learning stage breakdown and psywar which i lack and my nemesis is full off;f

    sorry for the long post
     
  10. mikey177

    mikey177 Remember

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    It may depend on the temperament of the shooter. Like me, I started out with preision shooting in college, so kahit anong pilit ko na pabilisin ang sarili ko ngayon, mabagal pa rin ako dahil gusto ko halos perfect ang sight picture bago pumutok :(
     
  11. ogiebb

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    Shoot A's speed will come..slow times with good scores will always win against a guy with 5 mike's on a target.....oo nga pala kumusta na mga sir???:)
     
  12. Allegra

    Allegra

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    Top std shppter Lito Pible was also a precision shooter nung college
    He started w/ air rifles
     
  13. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    ogiebb,

    lumitaw ka na ulit!! wazzup:cool:
     
  14. Allegra

    Allegra

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    The books all tell us, accuracy muna, and speed will fololow

    How come if you look at the shooters who wins
    Nung beginner sila, wild at ang bibilis pumutok
    they may miss 3-4 shots on one stage pero fafactorin nila yung ibang stages

    Look at Jethro, Ariel, Winston, Rico Papa , benjie blah blah blah
    Puro sila ratratero when they started
     
  15. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    exactly! mas mahirap ituro speed specially sa physically challenged!

    Pero the other side of the coin is, kung hindi ka maka-keep up sa time, daanin mo sa hits!

    look at Rosey, Gilbert Go, Gundog etc! they can hold thier own against the speedsters
     
  16. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    today i will only shoot A's. I will master what is the perfect sight alignment to get all A's and to produce good consistent groups.

    later, i will find out what is an acceptable sight picture with regards to front sight, rear sight, and target alignment to keep my hits within the A zone.

    next, i will find out how fast i can pull the trigger to get all hits within the A zone.
     
  17. mc_oliver

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    Master A, small pond lang po tayo. Sa big pond, si Jethro lang nananalo probably because steel shooter at unforgiving ang steel pag di ka accurate.

    I once read a gun rag discussing some top guys. The subject of the Burner really hit me. To paraphrase: It wasn't until the Burner geared down to get his hits that he started winning the matches... or something to that effect.

    Another case in point ngayon is Saul K. and Eric G. Kung panonoorin natin takes ni Saul hanep talaga pumutok. Unbelievable yung mga splits. But hirap siyang talunin si Eric.

    I'm gathering some footages ni Eric, Saul, TGO, at iba pa. I'm trying to super-impose their runs on the same stages. Viewing them separately, I can't believe kung paano nananalo si Eric. His run sounds slower pero minsan halos 2 sec ang lamang niya with better hits. Hanep!

    Also, yung PPSA nationals dati with Mike Voigt. I swear mas mabilis pa si Winston sa kanya. Pero...

    Conclusion? Kelangan ko ng ibang trabaho pambili ng maraming bala...;f
     
  18. KenC

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    When I get above 100+ then I will concentrate on speed unless, there are less than 100 competitors.
    Actually, I shoot for fun and where I place is not important to me. I do try to improve each time though.
    Oh yes, I would do better if those swingers would quit moving around.;a ;a :)
     
  19. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    Now that is how to enjoy shooting!

    :cool:
     
  20. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    I forgot who wrote the article, but in it, a younger Rob Leatham would hose wildly at nighttime 'IPSC blind shoots'. In his case, speed first, accuracy to follow.

    Dunno about that: I dont race :)