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Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by RRP, Nov 4, 2012.


  1. RRP

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    I took my first Glock, a Gen4 G19, to the range this weekend. Approximately 20-25% of the brass hit me in the face.

    I shot:

    1. 100 rounds of PMC, 115 gr FMJ
    2. 100 rounds of Blazer Brass, 124 gr FMJ
    I have never had this problem with my Kahrs, Sigs, XDM or M&P (using the same cheap ammo). I was not limp-wristing. I'm not new to pistol shooting. I have put 1000s of rounds down-range, in the last 6 months, alone. My technique works fine with other brands of firearms.



    This gun was purchased new this week. I don't see a date of manufacture on box. The LGS who sold me the weapon does high volume, so I suspect this gun was born recently. It is made in USA.


    I've searched the forum and found others with similar problems. I've noted that technique is often cited as the cause of BTF. To this, I call BS.


    If you've experienced this problem, and have found a solution, I welcome your feedback.
     

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  2. Gills63

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    Sorry can't help with your issue. But just a tip, if you wear glasses then also wear a hat. It sucks having a hot brass land between your glasses and your face.

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  3. RRP

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    I do wear glasses at the range. Fortunately, I didn't have hot brass wedge behind the glasses.

    Next time, I'll bring a hat. Good tip. It doesn't fix the problem, but it may help me avoid the "Ash Wednesday" syndrome mentioned in another thread.
     
  4. Raleigh Glocker

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    Video the problem, then call Glock. They will have you send it back to them for repair. Your best ally is documentation.

    Here's mine:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbgrioNpJSA&list=PLLL3Kmhuld1X9F0pOW4HTjSy2wRU8ZGXY&feature=plpp_play_all"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbgrioNpJSA&list=PLLL3Kmhuld1X9F0pOW4HTjSy2wRU8ZGXY&feature=plpp_play_all[/ame]
     
  5. PrecisionRifleman

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    I've been wanting to get a Gen 4 G17 in FDE, but looks like there are still some kinks to work out.... sure hope they get the issues squared away. =/
     
  6. RRP

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    Excellent advice and great videos. Thank you!
     
  7. plouffedaddy

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    It is; that's how I got my Gen4 19 replaced as well.
     
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  9. Raleigh Glocker

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    Because I said "fudge"? :supergrin:

    YouTube is starting to crack down on foul language in monetized videos. Besides, I want my vids to be more or less family safe.

    That said, I plan to put together a fail reel at the end of the year. It will make the Winnebago Man seem like a sweet talker. :)
     
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  10. bunk22

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    I think at some point, a certain individual will appear in this thread and make internet know it all claims, make up stories about shooting with known "experts" about how everyone is shooting the gun wrong, it's the grip, the poor stance, it's the cheap Wallymart ammo, etc. Granted, he will offer no how to video, no credibility, no nothing except for internet commando hype.
     
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  11. demented

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    Very strange about the Gen 4's getting all the complaints, I've got two 2009 Gen 3 19's that have been throwing brass at me since new. Surely I don't own the only two!?
     
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    It is not just the generation 4 Glocks throwing brass toward people's face, my late generation 3 model 26 did it too (and I have several other Glocks that don't).
    I put in a new extractor, but still had occasional brass to head.
    Hotter ammo may solve the problem, but this particular 26 wouldn't reliably feed Ranger T +P+
    I was ready to sell / trade it.
    I finally handloaded a Hornady 115 XTP (1,157 fps / 342# KE) that works without brass to head.
    Federal HST 124 gr. +P works too.

    My handload: Hornady 115 XTP with 5.8 gr. Unique, Winchester primer, OAL 1.090" taper crimped.
     
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  13. bighat2

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    Great video Raleigh! My new G19 gen3 was a little worse with the BTF and as it approached 1,000 rounds, began to stove pipe about twice out of 100 rounds... not good. It's currently sitting in Smyrna, GA for repairs. Glad to see that Glock improved your ejection issues, but a little disheartening that it's still so erratic. I'll be interested to see how it holds up over time. Thanks for putting the time into that video.
     
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    I had the exact same problem as you. My Sigs, Karh, Ruger, and M&P were fine but my gen4 23 threw brass into my face. I took it to Glock in Atlanta and they failed to fix it so I sold it. No more Glocks for me unless I buy an early Gen3 or wait for a Gen5.
     
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  15. clarkz71

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    It's hit & miss with late g3 & g4 9mm & .40.

    My 23 ejects fine at 4:00 and lands 5 feet or so away (so far)
     
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    Seriously, I'd trade it away for an early 3rd gen or 2nd gen gun or look at something new like the PPQ or P-30.

    Thats what I am doing...tired of trying to fix my 3rd gen G19...and I tried the expensive Apex extractor too!

    -brickboy240
     
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    You must have forgotten your accoutrama. :rofl:
     
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    That's why Randy's working on an Extractor for you g3 guys.

    He said they need a modified version compared to g4's. But you already know that since you post over at M4C.


     
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  19. jtrudel31

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    Did'nt you purchase the apex extractor that was meant for the gen 4 models? I would wait for the gen 3 design before you start slinging comments about apex. I do feel your fustration as I have been trying to get my gen 4 to work as advertised. It has been back to Glock twice and if the apex extractor does not do it that will most likely be the last straw.
     
  20. clarkz71

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    That's why I copied his post from the M4C forum, he knows
     
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