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Morality and Lies

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by concretefuzzynuts, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. concretefuzzynuts

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  3. JBnTX

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    Lying is lying, just as stealing is stealing.
    Both are 100% immoral and wrong.

    There are no conditions, degrees or requirements to meet.
     
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    My opinion is that things can be unethical but necessary. If you are going to do them don't pretend that they are ethical because they are necessary, argue that you put on your big girl panties and did them because they needed doing despite being repugnant. Tends to reduce the slipperiness of the slope.
     
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    This is what a was wondering.

    So if your family is home and a gad guy breaks in. You tell your wife and children to hide. The BG puts a gun to your head and asks "is there anyone else in the house?" Do you lie?
     
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    Definitely a grey area. If someone at work got a new 'do and look utterly hideous there's a 99.9% chance I will either say nothing or if asked, find something positive to say about it rather than be bluntly honest.

    I see numerous examples of LE using deception and lies in order to solve difficult cases. Sometimes it's a necessary evil.

    And of course used car salesmen and politicians live in a world of perpetual "the end justifies the means" deception.
     
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    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Well put, IMO.
     
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    That's not a lie, because you're doing it under duress and have no choice but to protect your family.

    A lie would be where you have an equal choice between a lie and the truth, and choose to tell a lie.

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    Excellent post. It is reasonable to then think that if a person in law enforcement can tell a lie to attain an objective. Do the same rules apply to a civilian?
     
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    Lie:

    noun
    1.
    a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
    2.
    something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
    3.
    an inaccurate or false statement.
    4.
    the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.


    It is a lie. I think it is an appropriate lie, but still a lie.
     
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    lie/lī/

    Noun:
    An intentionally false statement.

    That is a lie, by definition. It's a moral lie, probably more moral than not making it. But it's still a lie.
     
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    If it's OK for cops to lie, then it's OK to lie to cops.



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    The end justifies the means, depending on who you are however.:whistling:
     
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    Now that I'm suddenly in a swing state, the lying media pollsters suddenly discovered my landline's phone number.

    I'm enjoying lying to the pollsters, regarding my demographics and past voting behavior and uncertain intentions.

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    Depends on the situation, necessary evil in many instances.
     
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    You are a liar!
     
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    Don't talk to the police, they are not your friends. They'll lie to you, they'll lie in court even.
     
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    Along the line of police lying, I am confused.

    I know the supreme court found lying "legal" in the case of Frazier v. Cupp, 394 U.S. 731, 1969. But if the case goes to court, and evidence is submitted under the oath of telling "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth", how can evidence be legal if it was obtained by a lying police officer.

    It might be upheld by the SCOTUS but is it moral?

    Again, I am not anti-police, just posing a debatable question.