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Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by Wayne02, Oct 20, 2004.


  1. Wayne02

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    3:45 pm pst, Wednesday 10/20/04.

    Working away on my very old but previously reliable Dell system, and the monitor picture starts jumping up and down rapidly. Text is still visible its just that the whole picture is jumping erratically. Did a reboot, and the monitor does this even at the dos looking start-up screens before xp has started booting. Monitor is 19" Dell trinitron (sony re-badged?).

    Tried manual degauss, and played with all of the on board monitor controls. Smacked monitor up-side the plastic a couple times as well, to no avail.

    Anything else I should try? Is it possible that the video card is causing this? What are the probabilities it is the card and not the monitor?

    Should I just go to Costco in the am and get another monitor? I absolutely need this system up tomorrow morning for business. While I can read and type text with the way it is now, I can't begin to tell yo how irritating it is having the screen jumping around like this.

    How about this monitor from Costco:
    Second costco option:
    Third option:
    Last option:
    Which one of these is my best bet?

    Do these new style monitors have the old large multi-pin (forgot the technical term) connector on them? I hope so, because that's the only type of connection this old box has.

    Must sign off now, can't take it anymore, have headache, eyes hurt... Will check back this evening.

    Thanks
    Wayne
     

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    CRT's do that eventually. I have a Sun (Sony) trinitron 21" flat CRT that occasionally goes bonkers in a similar manner to that which you describe. So far I've been able to make it stop by shutting it down for awhile and then it comes back. Cross fingers; it's a nice monitor.

    LCD's don't since they have a backlight rather than the Cathode Ray Tube thingy.

    Your video card would not produce that behavior.
     

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    My Magview 19inch CRT crapped out on me and I bought a Dell 2001FP flat screen LCD, it rocks! It was over $700 but I am very happy with it. I've got atleast twice the desktop space.
     
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    Sometimes a good hard whack on the side will fix the CRT for a little while, but other than that, plan on buying a new one. :)

    Get an LCD, they are really nice. After you get the LCD, download ClearTweak, it will make the text look much nicer on an LCD:

    http://www.ioisland.com/cleartweak/
     
  5. Wayne02

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    Couldn't get the crt to stop shaking. Left it turned off for awhile, smacked it around, still no workie. I purchased this crt in 1998 and it has been on just about 24/7 ever since. 6 year life span, is that about normal? Seems like these expensive electronics should last longer then that? Wishful thinking I suppose.

    Just got a new monitor hooked up from Costco. 19" lcd job, $500 out the door.

    Much to my surprise, this new monitor is not as good as the old one. 1998 technology is not as good a 04 technology? What's up with that? Are we going backward here?

    Text is not as crisp as on the trinitron crt. Pictures are not as sharp. The screen blurs every-time you scroll up or down. Sometimes when I'm really hauling with my typing I can even get it to blur. This blur/scrolling thing is really irritating when reading a long document. The screen brightness does not seem uniform across the surface. The screen seems much more sensitive to how the ambient light hits it, and what angle you are viewing it at.

    The ONLY thing better about this new monitor is that the foot print is smaller. That's nice and all, but certainly not a priority compared to clarity and sharpness of the screen. Very disappointing indeed.

    Why is this 2004 technology, $500 monitor, of less quality then my old 1998 unit?

    Not sure if this info is pertinent, but I'm running xp pro, and I like to run at 800x600 resolution because I need the larger text size. Do they still make 19" crt's? Will a 04 crt match the quality of the 98?

    I'm off to try the download Toyman posted to see if that helps.

    Thanks
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    Yep, that's why I have a 20" and 21" CRT gracing both my home and work offices. LCD's just don't have the crispness, sharpness, and crystal clear graphical capabilities the CRT has. Yes, 2004 model CRT's are just as good or better than 1998 CRT's. I got the 20" CRT I have at home from www.compgeeks.com. They currently have a Sony refurb monitor for $89. Mine is a refurb and has been working great since delivered (about six months now) with no quirks. It'll cost about $40 to have that 80lb thing shipped to you depending on where you live, but you'll have a grand monitor for under $150 that'll go up to 1280x1024.

    Other places sell rather large CRT's for similar prices as well. CRT's are also better for gaming, and for graphical work which is the primary reason I have a CRT instead of an LCD.
     
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    I've heard about the graphics being better on CRTs, but...

    Our "new" computer has a Gateway FPD1730 17" Flat LCD, and the graphics are great, at least to me. Maybe if I put it next to a CRT I would see a difference.

    I'm not sure what is meant by "blurring" when scrolling, as far as I can tell mine doesn't. A friend who does graphic design uses an LCD, a huge 20 something inch (might be a 25" or 27") Apple monitor. His seems to have crystal clear graphics. Is it just a really good monitor?
     
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    Yes, Apple monitors are the best LCD's on the market currently. We have a couple of imacs which have beautiful 17" 16:9 monitors that are so good you can't tell it's an LCD. They are expensive as well.

    Also some LCD's are better than others, but pretty much all CRT's are equivalent to one another.
     
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    Well I've been using it for several hours now, and these lcd's suck compared to the crt. I don't understand why the market accepts this type of backward progress. Are people really more concerned with form factor (flat panel, thin case) then the actual quality of the image?

    I've since done a bit more research, and I don't see that much difference in the image quality specs between the various lcd's. Leading me to believe that a more expensive lcd would not necessarily be any better then my $500 special.

    The lack of crispness, definition, and clarity is stunning on these lcd's. I did download cleartype and that helped a bit. But the image is still far inferior to my old crt.

    I looked at that refurbed crt on the linked site and it has some sort of proprietary connector on it.

    Wish I could find a refurbed trinitron somewhere. I'd take this lcd back so fast it would make your head spin.

    Wayne
     
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    Oops, didn't see that. It has a Sun frame buffer connector, which is the same as my Sun monitor at work. There is an adapter that will allow it to be connected to a VGA port on your computer, (I have one on mine) but that's still a hassle, and I don't remember where I got the one I have.

    The ebay monitor looks pretty cool. Just make sure that it comes with a standard VGA port, or comes with said adapter. Also there are other places which have large screen CRT's; perhaps check pricewatch.
     
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    LCD is not ready for prime time. Clearly inferior to crt picture quality. I'm firing this monitor. Will be returning to costco on next weeks trip. Shame on me for not doing my homework first. I ASSumed that monitor technology would be superior in 04 to my 98 unit. That's what I get for assuming.

    Just ordered this one:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=24-002-040&DEPA=0

    22" and 65 pounds of desk pounding, graphics producing, text optimizing, line drawing, number displaying, picture producing pent-up monitor horsepower... Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Might as well go big. Plus it's not prone to theft because nobody can lift it.:)

    Got one off ebay for $170 less then newegg's price. New in the box w/ 3 year warranty. $80 less then the lcd I'm returning.

    Wayne
     
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    Holy crap! Are you going to have to reinforce your desk to hold that?? :cool:
     
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    That's actually light. Both of my big CRT monitors weigh 80lbs. The one I used to have (a Sun 19") did begin bowing the pressboard desk I used to have. Now I have a steel desk with a glass top to support the current 80lb monitor.

    Big reason people like the LCD's despite their image quality.
     
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    Have you considered that it may not be a LCD problem but rather an operator problem? Every LCD has a native resolution and it works best when your desktop is set to the same resolution.

    What is the resolution of your LCD?

    What is the size of your desktop?

    If the two are not the same, you are guaranteed a crappy picture, especially if your desktop is slightly smaller than your LCD.
     
  16. Wayne02

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    Possible, but not likely. Spent some time at a computer nerds house who does detail design and graphics work. He has a couple lcd's (family uses them for email) and four or five crt's. All were properly configured and set-up. The side by side comparison was striking to say the least. Particularly when it came to detail design applications, and digital photo re-touching applications.
     
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    Yeah, what he said. With the wrong setting, they can look really bad. Dot Pitch is a big thing also, there are cheesy LCD's, and there are nice ones, just like CRT's.