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Mitt Romney may have blown the election

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by BSA70, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. Glockworks

    Glockworks Ready/Aim/Fire Silver Member

    Amen. Jeez, a straight shooter! Reminds me in some ways of RR in 80.
     
  2. Schrag4

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    I'll ask again. How can this be a negative? He's absolutely right and people on both sides know it. There are people who will vote for Obama no matter what. His stating that doesn't change that. Do you really think independents will be so appalled by that statement? I don't think so.

    Or to put it another way, hey may or may not lose in a landslide on Nov 6 but it won't be because of this statement. Speaking the obvious truth that everybody knows just doesn't resonate negatively with people, sorry.
     

  3. Trew2Life

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    "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." Albert Einstien (Democrat, Socialist ...IMHO)

    I'm just a little leary of your claim to be a centralist. There's nothing wrong with being in the middle, but by the tone of your criticisms you seem to be leaning Right.

    Your first question is very personal to me since I am part of the voting population who elected him to office. So I must have faith in myself and the other (recording breaking) 65 million voters who elected him.

    While no POTUS can be 100% popular 100% of the time, I can see the 'good he has done' in legislation/positions like: The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (even though I'm not a woman), support for same sex marriage (even though I'm not gay) affordable healthcare (even though I'm not sick ...yet), and social programs that benefit the least amongst us (even though I have worked/learned steadily for the past 35+ years).

    I know these positions are unpopular to others, but to me ... their important. You might say they help comprise my moral center (even though I'm not religious).

    Now, I could bullet point a bunch of Presidential Pros, but to what end? Some one could just as easily bullet point his Cons. I'm not as niave to think that any President is going to be 100% favorable. Plus, you add that it wouldn't change your position on him. So why bother? I used to hate the crap out of Michael Jordan for no other reason than he used to kill my Knicks in the playoffs. I understand 'hate'.

    'Silly you', actually - to think that 'Mittens' isn't referring to you when he talks about a group of people he doesn't care about. And that right there should tell you alot about a man who wants to be the president of us all.
     
  4. concretefuzzynuts

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZKov2oBTFU"]Shovel ready not ready - YouTube[/ame]
     
  5. concretefuzzynuts

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0"]7 Lies In Under 2 Minutes - YouTube[/ame]
     
  6. CLoft239

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    A) I am center.
    B) I don't lean in either direction
    C) I don't think any candidate gives a rats ass about me or the likes of people like me
    D) I think Obama is downright equally as worthless as Romney (did I mention I can't stand either of them?). However, I do believe another Obama term would be far more detrimental to this nation than a Romney term which I believe would be a 1 time term.
    E) I absolutely do not believe that either of them are patriots.
    F) I welcome any verified pros that you can provide, as long as they are factual and not opinionated. True pros/beneficial results to this nation as a result of him and his actions in office. Facts that are not open to interpretation.

    The few "steps forward" he's made only affect certain groups with labels, not the nation as a whole. Some groups of people are better off, but not the nation, ie the big picture. As far as him supporting gay marriage, his timing and sincerity is questionable at best considering his prior stance on the issue. It means jack sh!it how noble a cause is if there's a hidden agenda behind it, such as bolstering voter support.

    The key is saving our nation as a whole, not any particular group of people. United we stand, divided we.... well, you know the rest.

    Sent from the Titanic. I named my phone "The Titanic" so when I plug it into the computer it says "The Titanic is syncing".
     
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  7. concretefuzzynuts

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Z5KZ42GXw&feature=BFa&list=PL0A4142BD7B7ECABA"]Obama, Which One Did You Vote For? - YouTube[/ame]
     
  8. concretefuzzynuts

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orYmyRYBJ8M&feature=related"]OBAMA & Medvedev CAUGHT ON MIC 'After My Election I Have More Flexibility' (Nuclear Summit 2012) - YouTube[/ame]
     
  9. I'm not voting at all this time, once again. It makes no difference, we are going to the same place, only the speed we get there differs. Two wings of the same dodo bird. Both parties are rotten to the core.
     
  10. concretefuzzynuts

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c"]65 Outrageous Lies by President Obama - YouTube[/ame]
     
  11. 427

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    Yeah? Why isn't Obama running on his record, his accomplishments of nearly four years?

    Or it could be this:

    "When you don't have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as somebody to run from." ~ Barack Obama.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTynx1hnfig"]Obama 2008: "If you don't have any fresh ideas, you use stale tactics to scare the voters" - YouTube[/ame]
     
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  12. concretefuzzynuts

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I&feature=related"]Idiots who voted for Obama - YouTube[/ame]
     
  13. Trew2Life

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    A) O.K
    B) O.K
    C) O.K
    D) I believe the oposition to a 2nd Obama term would be more detrimental than President Obama himself. You have to admit that the Republicans were more interested in seeing him fail than helping the country succeed. They said so themselves.
    E) O.K (I'd like to know how you define a 'patriot'?)
    F) You'd have to search for the truth on your own. There's nothing wrong with 'googling' a few facts. Just try to avoid clicking on the first two or three search results. They're usually sponsored results and serve biased/personal agenda's. You should click through a few links and research more.

    As far as "the few steps forward he's made only affecting certain groups with labels and not the nation as a whole" ... all I can say is women are not just a group with labels. Their issues are real. Their health concerns are real and BHO has done more to help advance their causes.

    Health care is everybody's concern. Ninety-nine percent of all people are bought into this world with the assistance of a health care professional. We can't send our kids to school without the proper vaccinations and immunizations. One co-worker sneezes on the job and 4 others catch the flu. Pesticides in our food, toxins in our environment, west nile, sars, bird flu ... health care should be everyone's concern. BHO wants to address that.

    Sir, your outlook is entirely too cynical for any popular persuasion. What do you expect a POTUS to do? Cure cancer? Bring about world peace? He's damned if he does ... and damned if he doesn't.
     
  14. Trew2Life

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    OIC. You guys want to play the 'Post Video Sound Bite' game. Whoopie! My turn!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUzEJiFpmsQ"]Mitt Romney Flip Flop Collection - A Hilarious Video Compilation - YouTube[/ame]
     
  15. CLoft239

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    What does the his healthcare plans do for the nation in the long run? Not for people now, or a few years down the road, but for the nation? How will it's effects affect people/the nation further down the road? I for one had to bust my ass and earn a job with benefits. And he just wants to hand it out to people at the expense of others?

    As far as being a patriot, it's hard to describe. It's just something that can be sensed. If that makes any sense. And I don't catch that vibe from either of them. Having served, and having been surrounded by patriots, military and civilian, I can say that I'm confident in my judgment when I say neither Obama nor Mitty are patriots.

    To each their own tho. I could type out a long drawn out posts using my fat uncoordinated fingers on this tiny phone, but I won't. Long story short: our nation is f'ked.



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  16. 427

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    Obamacare has over 21 New Taxes:

    1. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone NOT buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay income surtax.
    2. Employer Mandate Tax (Jan 2014)…
    3. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013)…
    4. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans ($32 bill/Jan 2018)…
    5. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bill/Jan 2013)…
    6. Medicine Cabinet Tax($5 bill/Jan 2011)…
    7. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bill/Jan 2011)…
    8. Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka“Special Needs Kids Tax”($13 bill/Jan 2013)….
    9. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bill/Jan 2013)….
    10. Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI ($15.2 bill/Jan 2013)…
    11. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010)…
    12. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bill/Jan 2013)…
    13. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bill/Jan 2010)…
    14. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (July 2012)…
    15. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bill/Jan 2010)…
    16. Tax on Health Insurers ($60.1 bill/Jan 2014)…
    17. $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bill/Jan 2013)…
    18. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2(Jan 2011)…
    19. Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting ($17.1 bill/Jan 2012)…
    20. “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion)….
    21. Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion)….

    Be prepared to pay up!

    It's unsustainable along with all the other spending/entitlements and we will be crushed under the debt.

    Note that a number of the new taxes kick in after the election.
     
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  18. CLoft239

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    Thank you good sir, you summed up what I was getting at, and you threw in a few bonuses. I owe you a beer.

    Sent from the Titanic. I named my phone "The Titanic" so when I plug it into the computer it says "The Titanic is syncing".
     
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    :thumbsup:

    We're 16 trillion in debt - about 100% of GDP. running trillion + dollar yearly deficits and our credit rating has taken a hit.

    Remember the Debt ceiling crisis and Obama?

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit."
    Then Senator, Barack Obama March 16, 2006
     
  20. Trew2Life

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