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missing guns

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by Wp.22, Mar 27, 2008.

  1. Wp.22


    Jan 17, 2005

    Missing guns? Tell it to the Marines

    A RETIRED Marine commandant and seven other people were charged before the anti-graft court yesterday over the unexplained disappearance of 77 sub-machine guns in June 2000.

    The Ombudsman charged retired Brig. Gen. Percival Subala, now deputy administrator for port operations at the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority; Col. Cesar de la Peña, former Marines chief-of-staff; Navy Capt. Teodoro Briones; SPO4 Richard Zules; and private individuals Edelbert Uybuco, Gerardo Vijandre, Manuel Ferdinand Trinidad, and Michael Boregas with illegal disposition of firearms after it was discovered that 77 H&K MP5 sub-machineguns were missing.

    In the charge sheet, the prosecution said the defendants conspired to divert the shipment of firearms to Trimark Ventures Trading Corp., which was the accredited supplier of firearms and ammunition to the police and the military. In October 2000, a police task force raided a beach resort in Subic, Zambales, and arrested members of a gunrunning syndicate. Some of these firearms turned out to be part of the 77 sub-machine guns that went missing, prosecutors said.

    Macon Ramos Araneta
  2. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    almost home
    So the PMC makes all this frickin hoopla in 2002 about refurbíng M3 grease guns,
    playing "Mr. making do with what we've got", when they actually LOST seventy seven MP5 subguns??

    Somebody PLEASE tell me there's no link between the M1911A1's missing from PA inventory,
    and those refurbs beig flogged by Federal Gun Exchange.


  3. No, those 1911s could not have come from the PA inventory. They came from Vietnam where the Kanos left them, among others. The examples being sold (Choi and me got them) show signs of heavy rust pitting. The issue guns are in good condition, and have their original SNs; I've seen an original Colt issued to an officer (PA property with the stock no. plate still attached to the lanyard loop, otherwise I would have talked the officer into selling it to me:supergrin:). Besides, the PA wouldn't tolerate the fake slide markings which really got my goat.:steamed: That's why mine has a new slide, among others.

    As an aside, at my smith I came across another 1911 from the same source with a spuriously marked slide exactly like mine, and only one digit from my SN: mine was xxxx70 while it had xxxx69. And gawd, the frame was BAD, heavily rough and pitted and missing all markings except for the SN. Hardly fit for PA issue.
  4. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    almost home
    Well, that's a bloody relief. Thanks, CM.
  5. The $64 question is: Who owns Trimark Ventures Trading Corp.?
  6. This case has been in the news for years, but this is the first time I've heard Marines implicated in this fiasco. Gun dealer sources tell me it's the main reason the Philippines was blacklisted for a while by Hk and the company refused to export any FAs directly to us.
    I believe Hk is bound to abide by international smallarms trafficking agreements.
  7. Wp.22


    Jan 17, 2005
    when my friend and i made a visit to their office in makati a couple of years ago to get the HK usp we ordered i saw a big as in big framed picture of senador bigotilyo famous from hiding and jumping ober da bakod.

    i don't know if he is the owner or crush lang siya ng may ari at malaki siyang picture doon
  8. I think I know one of the civilians there...:whistling: Not the exact spelling but I think it's the same guy...
  9. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    almost home
    Okay, hold on...

    Mukhang malabo ang reporting.
    This is what I was able to glean:

    In 1997, PNP Chief Recaredo Sarmiento signed an "Authority to Import" 150 MP5A
    subguns and other firearms and accessories, ostensibly for PNP SWAT
    use. The letter was issued to firearms dealer P.B. Dionisio, but through
    some dark magical process, the Letter wound up being used by firearms dealer
    Trimark Ventures in 1999, to bring the guns in.

    PNP SWAT didn't want 'em.

    The 150 subguns were supposedly offered for contract-purchase to PMC in 2000.
    The PMC however, supposedly only had funds to buy 78 of the guns, so
    after proper registrations and transport permits were filled out and approved,
    Then-PNP FED Chief Reynaldo Varilla allowed PMC personnel to withdraw the
    paid-for 78 subguns from PNP-FED Armory.

    The guns however, never made it to PMC Headquarters.

    Later, five of these subguns turned up in a 2000 raid on Taiwanese gunrunners
    near Subic in Zambales. The serial numbers matched those listed in both Trimark's
    1999 importation, and the registration/transport papers issued in favor of the PMC.
    Charges were filed against both Trimark and the PMC officers involved, but then
    nothing came of it.

    Trimark apparently continued to renew and use its license as a firearms dealer.

    In April of 2002, Trimark once again tried to bring in a shipment of H&K guns,
    including not just MP5's, but G36 battle rifles as well. The shipment was seized
    for lack of proper import licenses, purchase permits or even a packing list (read:
    this was a smuggling attempt).

    Pressed to comment, Trimark once again waved around the old 1997 Letter
    signed by ex-PNP Chief Sarmiento.

    Customs officials revealed that this was the SEVENTH intercepted illegal shipment
    of firearms by Trimark, all prior shipments having been abandoned by Trimark after
    they were discovered by customs agents: apparently including the 150 MP5's back
    in 1999, which were turned over to PNP-FED, which seems to have curiously then
    legitimized them as having been imported by and stored for Trimark.

    Seventh time caught was the charm.

    In July 2002, PNP Chief Leandro Mendoza revoked Trimark's license to deal in firearms.
    Trimark had listed its president as Ferdinand Manuel Trinidad, and this individual
    is apparently among the respondents, in the case presently in the news.

    Anyone with clarifications/corrections, please chime in.

  10. Poodle


    Jul 4, 2006
    Has anybody tried shooting the MP5? Must be sweet shooting 9 mm rounds in a submachinegun frame.
  11. edtf


    Oct 10, 2007
    If I'm not mistaken an MP5 was recovered from an Abu Sayyaf who was KIA years years ago and it was traced back to Trimark too. I think it was part of the marines shipment that was returned but was channeled elsewhere. This is really bad!! weapons meant for our soldiers are used to kill them :steamed:
    BTW, what happened to the Trimark people??
  12. crazy_hans


    Apr 21, 2007
    Caloocan City
    sir edtf nasa pinas tyo so i'm guessing that nothing will happened.remember Garcia?the former comptroller nga afp?miilions ang nakuha and got 2years for it if i'm not mistaken.or you can be lucky not to spend a minute in jail and get a pardon from the president after years of hiding.nothing's new.
  13. isuzu


    Jul 3, 2005
    North America
    If memory serves me right, a high-ranking Marine I believe, was forced to resign when he uncovered the missing MP-5s during that period.

    On the other hand, a family friend who worked with then-SBMA chairman Dick Gordon, had the firearms inventoried before they left Subic when Payumo took over. He told me that all the firearms were intact when they left their offices. He said that among the SBMA firearms were HK MP5s.
  14. isuzu


    Jul 3, 2005
    North America

    It's a very good submachinegun. It groups well even in full-auto.
  15. deenoh


    Feb 3, 2003
    Horge, I think you mean PNP-FED Chief

  16. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    almost home
    Thanks, Dino!
  17. cebupistol


    Nov 12, 2007
    Can somebody clarify a bit the story?

    From a different newspaper, i've read thatthe shipment was diverted from delivery to the PMC to their store but it did not indicate if the firearms were already paid for or if it was just loophole to be able to import it and later on get it out from the FED armory to be sold to civilians.

    Can somebody confirm if PMC has actually paid for the firearms?
  18. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    almost home
    That's PART of the 64 peso question.
    But answering it entirely is going to take a lot of hard investigation:

    It seems to have been a conspiracy between persons in TriMark, in PNP-FED and in the PMC.
    Once tere's that kind of broad-spectrum corruption, what's our remaining reference point,
    reliable-documentation wise, to tell us whether something was actually paid or not?
    All documentation from the three sides is suspect.

    It almost doesn't even matter whether the guns took a pitstop at Trimark after
    disappearing on the way to PMC, (up til they wound up with various unsavories, from
    Taiwanese gunrunners to Muslim or Communist insurgents). Bottom line is that Customs
    --the only straight shooters in this crosseyed clusterfrick-- says that Trimark tried
    7 times to smuggle in guns, and that record certainly includes the MP5's in question.
    Those MP5's were seized and turned over to PNP-FED.

    These were seized goods.

    Set aside whether Trimark should have been charged immediately. (like, duh?)
    Set aside whether Trimark's firearms-dealer llicense should have been revoked there and then. (like, come on...)
    I'm asking why, if I understand this all rightly, did FED designate the seized guns
    as being Armory-stored Trimark merchandise?

    They'd have to have been "Trimark merchandise", for the Trimark-PMC sale to commence, neh?
    They'd have to have been, for FED to process the guns reg/lic papers as such.

    Varilla made it all the way to Deputy Director, PNP, before retiring very recently.
    That's when they looked into reviving the case against all respondents:
    Trimark's Trinidad, PMC officers, etc... but one of the original respondents,
    Varilla, seems to have now been excluded.

  19. chowchow


    Jan 15, 2007
    Its bound to happen when hot stuff like these comes ashore. I bet theres always someone with enough cash who wants a SMG lalo na polticians and big business.

    In AFP parlance, I dont sacrifice my life for nothing..
  20. brawnless

    brawnless Junior Member

    Dec 5, 2004
    Are all those MP5's loose?

    What would happen if some civillian would renew his license and records show that his MP5's serial number are among those that were "lost"?