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Minnesota Legalizes Same Sex Marriage

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by sawgrass, May 15, 2013.

  1. sawgrass

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    Minnesota became the 12th state to legalize same sex marriage yesterday!
    The signing ceremony was heavily attended without incident.

    It's been a good year for MN, the anti's were stopped from limiting our 2A rights and this passed!

    The people voted 'against' amending the constitution to limit marriage to one man and one woman.
    MN was the first state to vote 'against' the amendment. Adding this to the ballot was a large mis-calculation for the Republican party.

    The gun bills were stopped mainly by the Republicans and fair minded Democrats.
    This passed mainly by the Democrats and fair minded Republicans.

    BOTH issues had strong 'grassroots' support and hard work by the people!

    http://www.kare11.com/news/article/...-sees-marriage-equality-as-civil-rights-issue
     
  2. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    At one point, I was totally against this. Now? This isn't a legislative issue. What WILL be an issue is re-defining life-partner for health insurance purposes. THAT is going to get expensive and this is an opening into that. And it's not my job to figure it out, thankfully.

    I have my religious beliefs on it. And so did 1st century Christians on the Roman empire. Strange how Paul, Peter and John never ran for public office.
     

  3. Psychman

    Psychman NRA Life Member

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    YEAH! Another domino falls.
     
  4. tarpleyg

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    I'm till trying to figure out why any government body needs to be involved in "marriage". Do we really need the governments official blessing to be married to someone?
     
  5. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Legal rights. Spouses haves them. Relating to property and children.
     
  6. dan1488

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    I am still waiting for Polygamy to become legal in the states eyes.:whistling:
     
  7. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Forget polygamy - what happens when my dog sues me for visitation? Then where will we be? LOL
     
  8. tarpleyg

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    And again, why is the government involved?
     
  9. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

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    Why not? Polygamous relationships do not hurt anyone as long as it's between consenting adults.

    Sounds sort of like the argument liberals blow out of proportion with guns. "omg ak-47s legalized? what next? an rpg? a tank? a NUKE?!" :upeyes:
     
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    Because one of the jobs of the government is to enforce contracts.
     
  11. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

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    If the contract is broken.
     
  12. tarpleyg

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    Sounds like a civil matter to me and only when said contract is broken. Besides, who ever said that "marriage" is a contract?
     
  13. aircarver

    aircarver Descent Terminated Silver Member

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    This is the state that made Al Franken a Senator- right ? ...:whistling:

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  14. jp3975

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    Good.

    There's not reason for it to be illegal.

    Only reason it is in most states is because a bunch of nosy people think they have the right to tell others how to live their lives.
     
  15. Psychman

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    Like her?

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    Whoever said its not a contract? That's all it is.

    Its a document that ties two people together, giving them certain rights over non married couples and financial ties/responsibilities, and a few other legal rights.

    Forget about "why should the govt be involved" for a sec.

    How about "why shouldnt gays be allowed the same rights as a straight couple? "

    No one can come up with a reason that isnt motivated by religion or because THEY dont like it. There is no logic in the nay sayers opinion. They're just like gun grabbing liberals. Trying to force their views on others.

    Worse though, because they are trying to stop two people from doing something that affects no one but the two people.

    As for your question on why the govt should be involved...I dont think it matters much. They are involved and thats not going to change. There is no movement for it to change.
     
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  17. Atlas

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    Marriage is a contract when/if you obtain a license to marry.
    People do this voluntarily.


    I am not saying that I agree or disagree with government involvement in marriage, only stating the legal reality.


    Society-wide, the legalities of marriage encompass many legal matters, as everyone knows. Many of those legal matters involve insurance companies, banks, and government "entitlements" (SS benefits, etc).
    All of which means money, and a lot of it. Of course the government is going to be involved.



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  18. tarpleyg

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    I'm agreeing with you. My point is who and why was it decided that "marriage" was a legal status? Different folks define "marriage" differently. I see my marriage to my wife as a bond before God, not before the State of Texas or any other place I might happen to live. Others see it differently and I have no problem with it. Where the problem lies is when unscrupulous entities such as insurance companies come along and try to weasel out of commitments behind the color of law.
     
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    It's decided by each couple who go the local courthouse to obtain a marriage license.

    People were marrying in America long before there was a marriage license. People still do marry without benefit of a license. It's legal to do so.

    The difference is that without the license you forgo the legal benefit of having government sanction the marriage.

    Marrying with license is a legal privilege.
    You accept that privilege voluntarily.
    If you accept that privilege then you accept the legal liability.

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    Not correct.
    It affects everyone because it affects the definition of marriage in American society, which has HUGE economic effect.


    I am NOT expressing an opinion of gay marriage here, "pro or con", only pointing out the facts.


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