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Michigan government unleashes armed raids on small pig farmers.

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by G17Jake, Apr 17, 2012.


  1. G17Jake

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    As many of you who follow such stories know, raids like this on independent farmers and private citizens are growing more common. Look for more of this.

    I have no doubt they are in fact in violation of some "law", statute or regulation --- laws that are lobbied for and won by enormous industrial food and agribusiness corporations who wield vastly disproportionate influence (to put it mildly) on the state. The result is the state's monopoly on force is directed by these interests to protect their collective monopoly on food production and create barriers to entry or competition. The small holder is in the crosshairs. Not because self-sufficiency is the ultimate form of resistance to the collectivist, centralizing forces of modern political economy - nothing so noble - merely because centralized political/economic interests will not tolerate competition when they effectively control the levers of state and creation of "law" (which is to say, force).
     
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    Well, I guess that's what you get when you elect a Republican 'pro-business' governor. I also found this tidbit:

    "Of course, Gov. Rick Snyder is a strong, pro-business leader. Stokes is the first DNR director to be appointed by a sitting governor. DNR directors used to be appointed by the Natural Resources Commission, themselves gubernatorial appointees on staggered terms. The system somewhat de-politicized natural resource decisions."

    http://www.mlive.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2012/03/should_dnr_be_tweeting_ads_for.html
     
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    WTF? Here Michigan was all worried about the militia.
     
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    I wonder why smallholders would be marginalized [ETA: if not criminalized] while agribusiness enjoys favored status within the tax and regulatory regimes?

    Eat up, America. You're poisoning yourselves with diseased animals and corn derivatives.
     
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    Something seems to be odd about a farmer crying about having to kill his pigs in cold blood.... rather than raise them for hunting preserves or to be sold to butcher shops for meat. I'm thinking he's more worried about the loss of revenue rather than compassion for the hogs.

    No mention of how these pigs are escaping into the wild and raising hell.

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    And thanks to folks like Sam, the government has the goons needed to enforce such BS. It's not that I have disrespect for LEOs, I understand their need and their place in modern society; it's that too many of them are willing to enforce the law because it is the law rather than because it is the right thing to do.

    Some could never be LEO because of the risk one must take in life, I could never be an LEO because of the BS I would be expected to enforce.
     
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    Pigs are not native to North America that is true. Since some are escaping and causing hell let's get rid of them all. No private or corporate pig farms should be allowed. In fact pig products should not be allowed to be sold in the US because of that. No more bacon, ham, porkchops etc... We will all be better off.
     
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    Can anyone clarify what the issue is here? Are these Russian wild boars or what? Even so, has raising them become illegal in MI? I understand what an issue feral pigs have become throughout the US, but I'm not understanding what exactly transpired in these two cases, both fairly close to where I live.
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    edit: Ok, so I went through some of the links in the article. It appears the State is trying to be institute measures to curb the feral pig issue. I guess I need to learn more about the issue, though I'd be willing to give a wide berth to contain a problem that is out of control in so many other places in the country.
     
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    hmmmmm, sounds like a muslim conspiracy................:supergrin:

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    http://michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10370_12145_55230-276322--,00.html


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    That seems to clear it up, DocCasualty.
     
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    Always warms the cockles of my heart to get called out on a GTPI thread.

    Tell me, does "goon" rank above or below "nazi JBT" on your scale? Was this thread worth burning your bridges with me, citizen?
     
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    As are any pigs/pig family members not native and/or properly tended to in this country. If they want to be serious and fair about it outlaw all non-javelina members of the pig family in the US.
     
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    Are all of them problematic? IDK, I'm just asking.

    I don't know if the above quoted MDNR link tells the whole story, but it does provide some balance to what has been presented so far.
     
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    My bridges were burned the minute you decided to become a cop and enforce the law because it was the law "officer". Don't get all high and mighty because you think you have some elevated place in society as LE. Name me a law in your jurisdiction that you refuse to enforce. If you can't my point stands.

    If you can I will humbly apologize for being a d-bag and admit there is a someplace in the US that has at least has one officer that isn't a goon.
     
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    Technically all non-javelina species of swine in the US are potentially problematic as javelinas are the only native species of the kind. Chickens are not native, hell they are not even a naturally occurring species, as what we think of as chickens were bred into existence by man from various forms of prairie birds. Are they problematic should they escape and run wild? Does that mean that the Federal government should be sticking it's nose into small chicken farms also? How is it that corporate farms don't seem to have this issue pig or foul? It certainly can not be that none escape into the wild and breed feral. Unless we are to assume corporate farms never have escapees.

    It is nothing but an attempt to crush the little guy. And folks wonder why people want the government to reign in big business and implement socialist policies. It is the unethical application of capitalism that will bring about it's downfall. This nonsense is on par with illegal milk.