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mg 180's for 40

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by dvrdwn72, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. dvrdwn72

    dvrdwn72

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    Anybody use Montana gold's and titegroup or bullseye powder. I'm still fairly a newbie but I'm trying to find good combo's of bullets and different powders.
     
  2. fredj338

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    Key words, diff powders. There are some that like uberfasts for the 40, I am not one. If you are new to reloading, do yourself a favor, put them both on the shelf & get some Unique. Universal or WSF. Much more forgiving in small volumn high pressure rounds. MGs are a great bullet BTW, very accurate.
     

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  3. dvrdwn72

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    Thanks.I have loaded a bunch of mg's and titegroup. I do know what your saying though.
     
  4. I personally like Power Pistol in the 40. I've been known to experiment with blue dot(I use it in 357 mag more).
     
  5. I use MG 180 gr's FMJ and CMJ over Titegroup. I prefer VV N320 and N340 but here's my chrono results for Titegroup.

    CCI500 spp OAL 1.126

    G27
    4.0 756 fps
    4.2 798 fps
    4.4 825 fps
    4.6 867 fps

    G23
    4.0 792 fps
    4.2 821 fps
    4.4 865 fps
    4.6 900 fps
     
  6. dvrdwn72

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    I followed the recommended powder of 4.7 gr of titegroup. I also just ordered a storm lake barrel for the 35
     
  7. fredj338

    fredj338

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    WOW! WHos's recommendation if that is a 180gr bullet? That is a max load & with TG, there is zero room for error. If you are going to last long in the reloading world, you need to learn to do proper load workups. That is NOT starting w/ posted max data & plugging in a NON TESTED BULLET. You are begging for a KB my friend.:wow: Show me any vetted data using TG & the MG bullet? Thats's right, there is none. Bullets are not plug & play ESPECIALLY with uber fast powders like TG running max, whcih you are. Duck & cover buddy.
     
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  8. Tpro

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    I'm not going to worry because this guy is probably shooting a Glock and when it KaBooms it will be all the fault of the firearm. So, yeah, he has no worries. :upeyes::whistling::wow:
     
  9. DWARREN123

    DWARREN123 Grumpy Old Guy

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    For the 40 S&W I like Hodgdon's Longshot powder. It does medium to hot loads well and is almost impossible to double charge without overfilling.
    Clean and accurate. :supergrin:
     
  10. steve4102

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    Wow, starting out with a max load? :wow:
     
  11. dvrdwn72

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    First I started with 3.8 grain , then 4.3 grain. I made 1 box 4.7 grain. It says in hodgdon site 4.7 grain with 180 grain. Did I mention I have a fully supported barrel? I have found that some use 4.9 grain and 4.8 grain with mg's to obtain pf for matches.
     
  12. dvrdwn72

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    Here is some of my loads based on the research ive done. Now this will be out of a 5.32 storm lake barrel in my g 35. All with 180 grn mg's.


    4.7 gr tite group oal 1.125, 4.9 being the max you could safely go, so ive read.
    4.3 gr tite group oal 1.125
    3.8 gr tite group oal 1.125
    That is what I loaded,,, very carefully checking each and every caseing. I will first try the 4.3 and 3.8's first of course. 4.7's later with a supported barrel.
    Now on to the next batch ill make.
    3.5 grn bullseye oal 1.125, from what ive read, this is a perfect load for idpa in a glock 35.
    4.3 grn bullseye oal 1.125
    5.5 grn bullseye oal 1.125, now suggested starting on this one is 5 grn.
    All the bullseye will have wsp primers, and mg's
     
  13. dvrdwn72

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    Every 10th round, I check the weight of my powder on the scale. I dont start loading until everything is perfect measureing powders very carefully and redundantly. I have ordered some power pistol, and vvn320 soon to come. Just not readily available here, Titegroup and bullseye are all that are.
     
  14. dvrdwn72

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    hit it right on the head. What I will do now is shoot the 4.7 out of my glock, just so I can say you told me:wavey::whistling:.
     
  15. dvrdwn72

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    Ive been shooting 4.8 tg and 180 mg's for almost 2 years, in the stock glock barrel. Only difference is I loaded these,but did so at 4.7,and I have a fully supported barrel now:wavey: It is what makes pf for ipsc and uspsa. And I do duck and cover!!!! every idpa match:whistling:
     
  16. fredj338

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    Good, so you've gottten away with it, for now. Fully supported bbl or not, running TG at max + is waaaay over pressure, not just a little. You need to understand how powders burn. The faster the powder the steeper the curve. When you get to max, the pressure curve goes vertical, not just a little higher. So your 4.8gr of TG is likely some 10% over pressure, the 4.9gr is probably 25% over pressure. WHY do it?:dunno: There are so many other prowders that get 40 major & keep you withing SAAMI spec. But hey, so & so shooter does it so why not right? I would bet you a new GLcok that the vast majority of KBs in the 40 are guys using TG & 180gr bullets trying for major. Foolish comes to mind, but what do I know, I have managed to keep all my guns intact for some 35yrs now. Carry on.:whistling:
     
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  17. dvrdwn72

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    I did not say I would continue doing it. I buy ammo for sanctioned matches that meet pf. I like 4.3 titegroup and 3.8 bullseye better and loaded 200 rounds of both. I will probably stick with 4.3 grain tg at 1.125 oal. Until the tg is gone. Then ill use my power pistol, and try to find vvn320.
     
  18. ave8er

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    MG's are nice but if you shoot a lot you will quickly realize the value of bullets such as Bayou, BBI and even Precision. MG's are over $300 per 2.5k and the others are just over $200
     
  19. dvrdwn72

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  20. dvrdwn72

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    Just loaded some bullseye, both 3.7 grn and 4.3 grn. I'll work up to the minimum of 5.2 in my Manuel.