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Medical Marijuana prospective from those who have to enforce the laws.

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by akapennypincher, Dec 10, 2011.

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  1. akapennypincher

    akapennypincher Glock-O-Holic

    Recently watch a documentary on the National Geographic Channel about Medical Marijuana called, "Marijuana Gold Rush" that was exploring the business aspects of the Medical Marijuana industry. Most of the program was film in and around Oakland,. CA, and Mendocino County, CA.

    My question is to those who have legal Medical Marijuana where they work enforcing the laws. Has Medical Marijuana caused more problem than its supporters would admit.

    I know when the people behind the ballot initiative in Arizona were trying to qualify their ballot initiative collecting signatures. I personally was approached to sign their petition several times. I ask why must you have this Medical Marijuana to Smoke?, why not a pill made by a Pharmaceutical Company containing the active ingredient Medical Marijuana. The replies I got were all about strength, and freedom of choice, making me think what I know. This entire Medical Marijuana is just an excuse for people to get high, under the guidelines of this being a treatment for some medical condition.

    Here in Arizona Medical Marijuana was passed by a ballot initiative, but our Governor Brewer is not allowing the Law to be implemented because Medical Marijuana is not allowed under federal law. Beside we got enough problem with Alcohol, and Drunk Drivers. We do not need people under the influence of Medical Marijuana, driving down the road also. JMHO!
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  2. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    It is against federal law. But, there are movements afoot to invoke Amendment X to the US Constitution concerning state's rights on several issues, including concerning medical marijuana. The federal government on the other hand will probably try to enforce the commerce clause of the US Constitution. So, basically it is developing into an interesting conundrum.

  3. PinkoCommie

    PinkoCommie Unusual Member

    My perspective is that I like clear, bright lines. I honestly don't care if it is legal or not to possess and smoke weed. What I dislike is the weird twilight zone we are currently in in Colorado. It's illegal to possess, but you can have up to 2 oz. if you get a card that you have to spend money to get, and lie to a "doctor", so you can get help with insomnia or left big toe pain. I also do not enjoy working in a jurisdiction where the DA is on the record saying he doesn't give a flying **** about marijuana.

    Either make it illegal, or legalize it and make it not my problem. Right now I am charged with taking seriously something that no one else takes seriously. This is a frustrating state of affairs. The regulations are a formality, designed to be easily mocked by those who want to smoke weed.

    I am sure there is someone out there who can be legitimately helped by medical marijuana with whatever serious medical condition they have. I haven't met that person yet, and I deal with A LOT of medical marijuana contacts (I work for a large University PD).
  4. Let me start by saying that I don't give a damn about this issue, really. I've never touched the stuff, and even if it were legal I wouldn't. So I truly do not care.

    But you don't KNOW what you're saying. You're issuing your opinion, and stating it as a fact. It's STILL just your opinion.

    Unless you're a medical doctor, you have no way of knowing the answer to your OWN question, and unless you were ASKING a doctor, then there's no way you'd get a real answer.

    If it was just as easy as making a pill, why hasn't that happened for other things? I work in medical insurance, and I see claims all day, every day from people getting nebulizers for their kids. In case you don't know, a nebulizer takes a prescription medicine and converts it to an inhalation treatment. It's used for things like COPD, asthma, cystic fibrosis, etc. So, sir, why don't they just "make a pill" with the same drugs? The answer is because it's more effective to be inhaled and absorbed into the blood stream through the lungs.

    I don't know if this is the case with medical marijuana, and I'm certain there are SOME out there that will abuse the system, but making a declaration that implies there is NO medical benefit at all, from someone that has no medical training, makes you look foolish.

    That said, if you ARE a doctor and a specialist that knows what s/he is talking about, my apologies. Is that the case?
  5. I'm a huge supporter of police, and I'm one of the people that will scream at folks blaming cops for enforcing laws. Even if it's a stupid law, the cop didn't make it, and they're doing their job.

    I feel for you guys that are put in positions like this, and I agree 100%. Legal or Illegal, make up your mind.
  6. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    There has been cannabis research studies concerning marijuana:
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  7. PinkoCommie

    PinkoCommie Unusual Member

    I know. And I wasn't being sarcastic. What I was saying is that I am sure it is helpful to some. I have not, however, run into anyone like that yet -- people who are sick to the point that marijuana is necessary to mitigate whatever symptoms they have are not the ones who cross my path. I do see a lot of people wielding medical marijuana cards. I mean A LOT. And, so far, all of them have been comical. I ask the kids I deal with about the medical need (and I explain that this is strictly to satisfy my curiosity and not to make a case -- if they are getting a ticket for weed, they will get it regardless of whether they talk to me about this or not). They have ALL admitted that they got the cards to smoke weed and not to make some medical symptom better. Again -- I am sure that this stuff has some medical benefits to some people. Somehow, though, I don't think it's the 22 year old whose paperwork said that he got his medical recommendation to smoke to help with asthma. Seriously? Smoke weed for asthma? Even he said it was BS.
  8. The-Fly

    The-Fly The Bofh

    Apr 27, 2005

    I have to agree with this. I've known a few people who have MMJ cards, and the reasons they gave to the docs are BS. One guy even quietly admitted as much.

    If its "medical", then it should be treated like any other prescription med. If we're going to let people get high because they feel like it (which currently, is pretty much how "medical" MMJ works), then we need to just be honest with ourselves as a society and stop making these stupid rules.
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  9. 10-32

    10-32 Here, hold this

    Dec 16, 2005
    Under the radar
    I have a friend who has a card (or whatever, I just know he has medical marijuana) and he uses it for legit medical reasons.

    He has Crohn's disease, as well as pretty severe PTSD. Before the marijuana, he used to drink himself stupid to try to avoid the memories he had of his friends being killed in front of him. He also had horrible diarrhea (from the crohn's) and was losing weight uncontrollably.

    He also did 2 tours in Iraq before he turned 21 and was more of a man at that age than a lot of people I had met who were much older. He's out of the military and going to college now.

    My point is that it's not just about pot-head kids looking to get high. It has merit.
    I agree that the laws are confusing right now and they need to be more clear, either the state or the federal standard has to reign. But we all face challenges in our chosen occupations, and this is just one of those challenges for law enforcement. Hopefully it will be settled soon and it won't be an issue...for the LEs or the legit patients
  10. RetailNinja


    Jan 31, 2007
    No one every smoked two joints before they smoked two joints, then smoked two more, then went out and started a bar fight.
  11. ateamer

    ateamer NRA4EVR

    Marijuana enforcement is a waste of our resources. Meth and heroin and alcohol abuse are what hurt people, not smoking weed. Marijuana should be legalized and regulated like alcohol.
  12. msu_grad_121

    msu_grad_121 BOOSH

    Sep 16, 2009
    NW Burbs
    I agree totally. In MI, you can get a card to possess, or another to grow in your house and generally speaking, you're not messed with (with one extremely notable exception). Personally, I've never smoked it, don't have any interest in it, but I can see how it might help someone like a friend of mine with a very severe brain tumor. Ironically enough, she refuses to use MJ to help with the nausea and such due to chemotherapy. She's by far the toughest person I've ever met.

    That being said, I think the current state of affairs makes a mockery of MJ laws, as I personally have seen someone who had a possession card for (no BS) intermitent insomnia. Yeah, SOMEtimes I can't get to sleep, so the doctor gave me a card that lets me smoke weed to help. ANYway...

    My personal feelings on the subject are that it should either be better regulated, or made legal already and be done with it. But Pinko's right, the way it's set up now is nothing but a joke.
  13. Knute

    Knute "Nothin"

    Aug 28, 2004
    Northern Colorado
    FACT-95 % of MMJ users in Colorado have them issued for "severe pain" and are between 20-25 years old (North Metro Task Force, 2009, Colorado DRE In-Service).

    Personal experience; met TWO people who have legitimate medical issues for their MMJ card. Other reasons offered, PMS, sprained ankles, knee pain, etc. Oh, and when I was still a DRE and on patrol, my DUID arrests sky rocketed with MMJ users.

    This debate is still ongoing within the medical field. To call someone out on this board as a physician is a little testy isn't it?

    Marinol (THC in pill form) has been out for a long time. Probably the reason nobody was using this before was because you actually had to see a doctor and have a REAL exam and get a bonafied prescription using a physician's DEA number. By the way, ashtma and COPD are respiratory conditions. Inhaling the medications would make sense for treatment (not sure about cystic fibrosis).

    There is a problem when a large majority of the MMJ prescriptions are issued out by a small group of doctors within our state who already have sanctions against their DEA licensure. How can a doctor legitimately say they say over 100 patients a day and gave them thorough examinations? They can't, but there have been many who have issued many more MMJ cards than this in one day...for cash.

    Oh yeah, and I have actually met people who have openly said they moved to our state just to smoke weed. Not because they have any medical condition, but just because it's so easy to obtain. That is first hand information that doesn't seem to make it to any of the media outlets...go figure!

    MMJ and their dispensaries are a joke.
  14. A friend of mine takes marinol for pain and nausea due to medical conditions, it is prescription marijuana. Personally I would rather have marijuana then be on vicodin for pain, but until I see a pain clinic I won't be getting marinol, as for the medical cards I think they're a bunch of BS. You should have to go to a dr get an exam and then get a real prescription, not a voucher.
  15. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
    And a little like tobacco too. It would be a little silly to tell people second hand tobacco smoke is bad but not second hand weed smoke.
  16. I think you're right. It needs to be regulated like alcohol in respect to driving, etc, and treated like tobacco in that....more or less....keep it in your own home/car/etc.
  17. Goat 36

    Goat 36

    Aug 2, 2010
    ^This is really the bottom line.

    Americans spend a Billion dollars a year on prisoners with Marijuana charges.

    And all this for a 'plant' that many claim helps their pain and symptoms of debilitating disease more than anything that's pushed by Big Pharma.

    And for those that use it casually: Alcohol is TEN times more dangerous, addictive and outright deadly on numerous fronts. Yet, it's marketed on every other billboard and tv commercial and sold on almost every streetcorner in America and the Government makes billions from those sales. People in every single walk of life drink alcohol and most of them are addicted.

    Alcohol cannot and never will be classified as medicinal or good for you in any way, shape or form. And, even if someone 'could' make that argument somehow, they'll never get past the fact that Marijuana has 'never' killed anyone and never causes anyone to rob liquor stores, drive over a family of 5, beat their spouse/kids/family members, fight with complete strangers for no reason at all, or take any other action that can later be reasonably blamed on the weed for making them completely lose their mind.

    Except that second hand Marijuana smoke could only give one a slight buzz if anything at all. Second hand cig smoke is loaded with carcinogens and poisons of various kinds. And yet they TOO are sold on almost every street corner in America.

    Heaven forbid anybody ingests such a harmless plant as Marijuana for medicinal OR casual purposes when you consider all the other dangerous and deadly chemicals that are ingested in our foods and medicines, alone.

    The one and 'ONLY' reason the Cartels make such an unGodly amount of money selling and moving Marijuana is because it's illegal. Without illegal pot sales, the Cartels would crumble.
  18. I used to think like that, until I had to fight with a guy stoned out of his mind, but for the most part your statement is true.

    Medical Marijuana may in fact have legitimate uses, however everybody knows that the system is abused by massive numbers of people. I forget the exact figure, but one doctor in Colorado wrote a disproportionate number of prescriptions.

    We have also had an increase of DUID with marijuana being the intoxicant.

    If they are going to sell it like medicine, it should be regulated like all other medicines. It should be in prescription bottles with the persons name on it like every other medication. I also don't know of any other medication that is administered in suckers, sodas, and brownies.

    That said, legalize it, tax it, and set a per se limit for DUI.
  19. akapennypincher

    akapennypincher Glock-O-Holic

    No I am not an M.D., D.O., or PA but did have about 10++ years working in a Paramedical Field, and on the the Check Specialist I work with, and was my Medical Director. Was a proponent of marijuana for treatment of some pulmonary diseases. Yes he was aware of some medical benefit for some patients from POT. But he would always say I can not tell a patient to go buy marijuana, as it is not legal, there is no way to know if the stuff is ok to use, or has been contaminated, and will cause heath damage, injury, or death.

    Actually Marijuana Pill with the active chemical THC is available it is called. It's called Marinol.

    "Medical" Marijuana - The Facts

    * Medical marijuana already exists. It's called Marinol.

    * A pharmaceutical product, Marinol, is widely available through prescription. It comes in the form of a pill and is also being studied by researchers for suitability via other delivery methods, such as an inhaler or patch. The active ingredient of Marinol is synthetic THC, which has been found to relieve the nausea and vomiting associated with chemotherapy for cancer patients and to assist with loss of appetite with AIDS patients.

    * Unlike smoked marijuana--which contains more than 400 different chemicals, including most of the hazardous chemicals found in tobacco smoke-Marinol has been studied and approved by the medical community and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the nation's watchdog over unsafe and harmful food and drug products. Since the passage of the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act, any drug that is marketed in the United States must undergo rigorous scientific testing. The approval process mandated by this act ensures that claims of safety and therapeutic value are supported by clinical evidence and keeps unsafe, ineffective and dangerous drugs off the market.

    There are no FDA-approved medications that are smoked. For one thing, smoking is generally a poor way to deliver medicine. It is difficult to administer safe, regulated dosages of medicines in smoked form. Secondly, the harmful chemicals and carcinogens that are byproducts of smoking create entirely new health problems. There are four times the level of tar in a marijuana cigarette, for example, than in a tobacco cigarette

    * Morphine, for example, has proven to be a medically valuable drug, but the FDA does not endorse the smoking of opium or heroin. Instead, scientists have extracted active ingredients from opium, which are sold as pharmaceutical products like morphine, codeine, hydrocodone or oxycodone. In a similar vein, the FDA has not approved smoking marijuana for medicinal purposes, but has approved the active ingredient-THC-in the form of scientifically regulated Marinol.

    * The DEA helped facilitate the research on Marinol. The National Cancer Institute approached the DEA in the early 1980s regarding their study of THC's in relieving nausea and vomiting. As a result, the DEA facilitated the registration and provided regulatory support and guidance for the study.

    * The DEA recognizes the importance of listening to science. That's why the DEA has registered seven research initiatives to continue researching the effects of smoked marijuana as medicine. For example, under one program established by the State of California, researchers are studying the potential use of marijuana and its ingredients on conditions such as multiple sclerosis and pain. At this time, however, neither the medical community nor the scientific community has found sufficient data to conclude that smoked marijuana is the best approach to dealing with these important medical issues.

    * The most comprehensive, scientifically rigorous review of studies of smoked marijuana was conducted by the Institute of Medicine, an organization chartered by the National Academy of Sciences. In a report released in 1999, the Institute did not recommend the use of smoked marijuana, but did conclude that active ingredients in marijuana could be isolated and developed into a variety of pharmaceuticals, such as Marinol.

    * In the meantime, the DEA is working with pain management groups, such as Last Acts, to make sure that those who need access to safe, effective pain medication can get the best medication available.

    But than I think some Medical Marijuana Smokers just want the BUZZ of Smoking Hi Potency Pot, and this is not a problem. Until they try and drive a Car, Truck, SUV, etc under the influence.

    Also with the cost of Pot per ounce, or Medical Marijuana. How do some people pay for the thing Pot crave? Prostitution, Selling Drugs, Breaking into home to steal items to sell or hock.

    Have a friend who lives in the Big Sky Country-Western Montana. He say his City Police are busier now with problems caused in their little town of 7-9K Residents because of, or related to Legal Medical Marijuana. He should know as he just finished his last term as a City Councilman.
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  20. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
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