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Mechanics of Pmag Long Term Loaded Storage for Aluminum G.I. Mags

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by vegetius, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. vegetius

    vegetius vegetius

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    If I am wrong ... happens ... please throw me under the bus as quickly as possible ...

    I have 15 30 round Pmags, loaded , ready to use as required ... I have a S_ _ T Load of aluminium G.I. 30 round mags with Magpul followers in them ...

    unloaded ... because the common wisdom is long term loaded storage is a NO NO due to potential feed lip distortion due to pressure from the top cartridge against the aluminium feed lips ...

    Now ... Pmags have a nifty dust cover that also depresses the top cartridge enough to relieve any pressure on the feed lips and .. Eureka ... long term loaded storage is a GO!

    I was thinking ... if you load a 30 round aluminium G.I. mag to full capacity ... take a popsickle stick ... cut a piece about 3/4 inch/20 mm long ... round one end ... put a slight concave in the other end ... depress the cartridges ... push the mini pop stick round end first into the mag catch opening until you wedge a cartridge and release pressure at the top ... Eureka ... no feed lip pressure ... long term storage is a GO! ... you have to have a dust cover or the top cartridge(s) will slide out ... you store them in a carrier flat to flat side (one is upside down the other right side up) or in whatever configuration you can work out ...

    If the S _ _ T is about to hit the fan depress the top cartridges and pull the Mag wedgies and the mags are ready as required ... quicker than loading them up from stripper clips ... keep your Beta C mags or Nordic exrended 48 round doubled maglinked Pmags or just a few 30 round Pmags as immediate need to shoot ammo ...

    This is not as fast as popping the dust clip from the Pmag ... but it's close ... just saying ... I mean if you have alot of aluminum mags laying about ...

    I did it ... it works ... am I missing something here or what?

    Should I have patented my "Feed Lip Relief Mag Catch Well Wedgie" ?

    Is this completely unnecessary and stupid ???

    Anyone with any cogent counterpoint or concurrence please be so kind as to either tell me I am correct of show me why I should be under the Bus ...

    Thanks in advance ...
     

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  2. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

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    I keep 6 loaded mags. The rest stays in the box. If things suck so bad I can't handle it with ~200 rounds of ammo and buy enough time to load some more its not going to matter anyhow. Hell, I've gone to war with less ammo for my personal weapon.
     

  3. DaleGribble

    DaleGribble Sandwich!

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    Call me crazy but what kind of S--T hitting the fan are you preparing for?

    15 loaded Pmags should be sufficient for anything you're going to face. If they aren't enough you did something really bad to really piss someone off and 100 loaded mags probably won't solve your problems.

    Good luck.
     
  4. cowboy1964

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    I think 15 loaded and ready to go is sufficient. Even for Afghanistan. Good grief.

    Out of curiosity, what ammo is loaded in those 15 mags?
     
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  5. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    I keep my mags loaded. Easy to go to the range, and a easy way to make more room in the gun safe. I can eliminate a case or 2 of loose ammo, just by loading my magazines.

    :cool:
     
  6. vegetius

    vegetius vegetius

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    Yes ... guilty ... my wife says I'm a hoarder ... maybe ... and if 200 rounds won't do the deed and I'm still able to pop caps I don't want to have to load mags to keep banging away ...

    I tend to be OCD about this stuff ... Better to Have and Not Need then Need and Not Have ... but that's not what my question is about ...

    Whether you have 2,3,4, a zillion loaded mags ... if they are G.I. Aluminum what do you think about a Mag Well Popsickle Sick Wedgie to take the pressure off the feed lips ...?

    I was just thinking about duping what the Pmags do only with G..I. mags ...

    Anyways have a happy Spainish Queen's Pawned Jewelery Financed Italian Discoverer of America Day ...

    Veg
     

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  7. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    You're not going to damage your aluminum mags leaving them loaded, but then your really only need one loaded mag in your rifle.

    15 is silly, and thinking you need more is.....more silly.
     
  8. samuse

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    I have about 100 new NHMTG mags with Magpul followers loaded to 28 rounds of IMI M855.

    We'll see how they hold up, but it may be many years down the road.
     
  9. fuzzy03cls

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    I guess no one thinks of shooting with other people that need mags for their guns? like a wife, or kid, or ?

    OP, Don't worry about the feed lips. Really it's mostly all BS with modern mags.
     
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  10. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    Almost no one......except a few people here and on other sites like M4carbine.net & such.

    If you need more than a few rounds, you're in way, waaaay over your head, and you're gonna die. Life is not a "Book of Eli" sequel.
     
  11. K. Foster

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    No offense but, yeah. :supergrin:
    If you want to keep a bunch of mags loaded for whatever, that’s fine. Load half your mags. In six months or a year, rotate to the other half. Or, just shoot those first when you go to the range.
    I don’t even use the dust cover on Pmags.
     
  12. surf

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    Way over thinking this one.

    OK

    Yes

    No

    Yes

    No problem.

    There is enough kooky talk here. At least most of them are not doomsdayers wishing to discuss the apocalypse or zombie hordes. Nothing wrong with being prepared but the doomsday scenario talk quite frankly makes people look like nut jobs. Again don't get me wrong as I live in a tsunami zone and an area that is ripe for hurricanes so I believe in being prepared for self sufficiency for a period of time, but babbling about my gunz and my various totally awesome SHTF loadouts is generally a sign of a 14 year playing on gun forums or someone slightly off kilter.
     
  13. Cole125

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    Its a free country if you want to keep 100 P mags loaded, good on you.

    That said if you need to fire your rifle more than 10-20 times to defend your home, you have bigger problems to worry about.

    Personally I consider my ARs fun guns, I use a shotgun and pistols for HD.
     
  14. vegetius

    vegetius vegetius

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    Come on ... cut me some slack ... just having some fun and exploring the nether regions a bit ... I mean the 2nd is there for armed revolution ... not hunting ... self defense on a national scale actually ... besides we are all gun nuts to some degree ... according to the left ... and some of us gun nuts are nuts ...

    I have been slightly off kilter for most of my 66 years ... probably due to the fact that the 1st drug I ever tried in 1964 when it was still legal was LSD-25 .... what a trip ... had not even tried pot ... made the whole concept of "High" a difficult context for me to judge ... how I ended up a conservative gun nut is anybody's guess ...

    Just thought i would share

    Veg
     

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  15. TangoFoxtrot

    TangoFoxtrot OIF 04-05

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    Your right about the mags. I'm old school I download by 2.and keep all my mags loaded.
     
  16. K. Foster

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    Thanks. Now the whole thread makes sense.:supergrin:
     
  17. vegetius

    vegetius vegetius

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    Not Nice ...

    There is a principle that is a proof against all arguments , a bar against all information ... guaranteed to keep a man in everlasting ignorence ... that principle is contempt prior to investigation

    Read my first post ... or don't ... could care less ... but if you are interested in a possible solution to storing fully loaded 30 round Aluminum AR/M16 mags without distorting the feed lips (widen them out of Spec) due to spring pressure via the top rounds in the stack (similar to the Pmag physics) ... read my first post ...

    I trust the word "physics" makes sense to you ???

    Veg
     

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  18. vegetius

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    Magazine Catch Cartridge Wedge (MCCW) : Rev 1

    Further experimentation resulted in what are the following revised specs for my MCCW:

    1. Popsickle stick must be 10 mm wide; like the "Popsickle" brand sold in supermarkets

    2. Length: 20 mm

    3. Keep both ends square; slightly round the corners

    4. Depress the top cartridges about 3/8 inch ... insert the
    MCCW into the mag catch opening on a vertical angle to wedge it against the top of a cartridge in the stack ... and the top cartridges are loose ... no feed lip pressure

    5. Use a dust cap to keep the top cartridges in the mag ... or they will slide out

    This works like an OEM accessory. The wood doesn't mar the mag or cartridge and it stays in big time ... you have to depress the top cartridges to remove it from the mag catch opening ... and then you are ready to rock

    It relieves the pressure on the feed lips so you can load 30 and 20 rounds into your mags and let them gather dust in the closet until you need them ... No Problemo

    F.Y.I. as a duplicate of the Pmag storage physics rationale applicable to standard aluminum mags ... and it's cheap

    If any one is still interested ...

    Veg
     

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  19. Travclem

    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

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    You may be.
     
  20. vegetius

    vegetius vegetius

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    I know it seems the common knowledge is that after 5 or 6 rounds; be they rifle or pistol, and no reolution to the problem of the gun(s) that have put you in the gravest extreme, it is time to count your blessings because you are going to be killed ...

    The number of rounds fired in both police and Military engagements (other than Seals, Delta, Special Forces, Ranger and Recon Marine) will boggle your mind ...

    it's not how many rounds have been fired off it's how many actually hit meat and bone ... surprisingly few considering the amount of lead that usually is flying around ...

    Hell ... you know you are possibly going to be killed in a gunfight ... all you can do is make sure you brought enough Gun to the table and have enough reloads so if you are still upright, above ground , breathing and not seriously damaged after the first or second or third exchange of fire ... you won't come up dry and out of ammo ... not a good thing ... Friend of mine was a tunnel rat ... one time he ran out of rounds for his .45 and had to throw the gun at the VC trying to kill him ... you do not want to be reduced to throwing your gun at your assailant(s) ... he backed the hell out of there and got away ... he was lucky ... you think??

    I have had people try to kill me in the States and overseas and they were unsuccessful and I survived due mostly to luck ...

    Better to be lucky than good ...

    Carry as you see fit ... if it's worth packing it is worth carrying reloads ..

    Veg
     

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