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Massad Ayoob -- Frontsight

Discussion in 'Tactics and Training' started by Krueshoot, Dec 24, 2010.

  1. Krueshoot


    Mar 20, 2001
    Chandler,Az., USA
    Dear sirs,

    Just sort of wondering why it is that when I put Massad Ayoob in my Goggle search it comes up

    Massad Ayoob
    Give us four days and you will be trained better than 98% of pros. ?

    To the best of my knowledge Massad Ayoob has his own training organization and is NOT affiliated with Frontsight. It could be an error on your part, wrote you last year with the same complaint, are trying to or it could be you are intentionally trying to profit of his reputation. Your action will speak volumes as to weather error or intentional

    James A Krueger
    Derby Guns
    Scottsdale, AZ
  2. Deployment Solu

    Deployment Solu Kydex Crafter

    Jul 18, 2007
    I am sure it is intentional. I am sure it is no mistake. He probably had it entered as one of the Meta Keywords of any search to point to his website.

    I am pretty sure Massad Ayoob has not ever trained there or promotes the place! He may respond to this thread himself to clarify.

    There is NO ONE I know lower that IP of FS!!!!!! NO ONE!!! He has to look up to see snake s**t. He'll do anything to make a buck!!

  3. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    Its an ad link, I believe paid to google to come up on top of the search results. You get to specify the keywords that trigger it. He picked Mas because anyone searching for Mas is looking for good instruction and might pick Front Sight if given the opportunity.

    Normally not a problem, when you're picking likely keywords to direct traffic your way. Not sure if that would still be legal when trading on a person's reputation without their permission as this apparently does. But it is sure sleazy if that's the case. A good insight into someone's character is whether they do the right thing, or whether they do the right thing only as a last resort when there's no other alternative, and take advantage of someone when they are able to get away with it.

    I have no exposure to FS, except for all the internet talk going around. Until now. This tells me all I need to know to guess which side of that internet debate is correct.

    I find it very telling that he keys off of Mas's name to get that ad to come up, yet did not feel it was worth paying for his own name to trigger the same ad. Guess he doesn't figure enough people were looking for him to justify the expense.

    Last edited: Dec 25, 2010
  4. doby


    Dec 18, 2010
    Front sight wouldn't return my wife's money when she couldn't go. They did keep offering to extend the time period that she could use the training for, tho. Still, it left a very bad taste in the mouth.
  5. BamaTrooper

    BamaTrooper Almost Done

    Sep 12, 2006
    Rocking Chair
    Maybe Massad will be along to clear this up; he is a member of GT.
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2010
  6. larry_minn

    larry_minn Silver Member Millennium Member

    Dec 16, 1999
    I agree this bothers me. IF they (as suggested) paid a fee to link another instructors name (who does not have any connection) to them. (assuming thats true) Its not a proper to thing to do.
    I do hope Mr. Massad Ayoob notices/ someone tells him and he can clear up if he does have any connection/if they are using his name for $$$. I bought one of their "deals" I have always felt if I lived closer I would have gotten a membership. Hopefully this will get cleared up soon.
  7. Glenn E. Meyer

    Glenn E. Meyer

    Feb 27, 2000
    When I first googled Ayoob, the Front Sight stuff appeared on the right side as a paid ad. Just now, on google, bing and yahoo - just Mas - no FS.
  8. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    Try Massad Ayoob, FS is still there...

  9. BigKid


    Feb 23, 2007
    Bakersfield, CA
    I feel like this could be a legal issue. They are purposefully trying to connect Mas' name with Frontsight. I don't think I'd be very happy with this if it was my name, regardless of how I feel about a company. Unless I give my consent, they have no business using my name to drive business to them.
  10. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

    Apr 30, 2005

    They would probably claim it was just an invitation to Mas that they would teach him how to shoot better.

    Last edited: Dec 27, 2010
  11. Mas Ayoob

    Mas Ayoob KoolAidAntidote Moderator

    Nov 6, 2005
    For the record, neither I nor Massad Ayoob Group LLC have any connection with that organization. I brought this matter to their attention almost two years ago, and apparently need to do so again.
  12. Gallium

    Gallium CLM

    Mar 26, 2003
    I really would not be surprised. :faint:

    I know a couple of trainers, who if for example, if they went to S&W Academy to buy a t-shirt or use their 25yard indoor range, would put on their CV, "trained at S&W Academy" :faint::faint:

    Not saying this is the same with Sue Sight, but it sure does smell.

  13. threefeathers

    threefeathers Scouts Out

    Oct 23, 2008
    Mas does train at Gator Farm Tactical :cool: