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Mass Casualty Incidents

Discussion in 'Firefighter/EMS Talk' started by MissAmericanPie, Sep 29, 2007.

  1. MissAmericanPie

    MissAmericanPie Troop Supporter

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    Does anyone have any idea where I can get good information about EMS and Mass Casualty Incidents (including WMDs)? I am interested in educating myself about this subject.

    Thanks.:)
     
  2. DScottHewitt

    DScottHewitt EMT-B

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    Try here for lots of training goodies:



    https://va.train.org/DesktopShell.aspx


    You have to create an account to take classes. And it might or might not let out of state people do it. But they have loads of FEMA and other sources stuff on MCIs and WMDs.....

    FEMA itself:

    http://www.fema.gov/about/training/emergency.shtm

    ICS-300 (being about scaling ICS in a major incident) has some MCI scenarios.....

    Scott
     


  3. DScottHewitt

    DScottHewitt EMT-B

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    I'm hooked, myself. Taking ICS units as I can. As well as what the Commonwealth offers for terrorism training. Did a cool class a few months back about terrorism event that use explosives.....



    Scott
     
  4. DaleGribble

    DaleGribble Sandwich!

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    Having been through a huge mass casualty incident that made national news, I can tell you that all the NIMS and ICS crap is pure bull **** and nothing more than feel good training.
     
  5. MissAmericanPie

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    How so?

    Maybe the inadequate training is the problem and not the system? Just a thought, but since you have experience, you would probably be able to give an interesting perspective if you are willing to share. :)
     
  6. MissAmericanPie

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    As soon as my exam is over I'm going to start reading. Thanks for the info. and the links.
     
  7. obxprnstar

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    Nims does nothing but focus on you learning ceartin terms and the by the book way to label things on an ICS "map". What NIMS needs is a hands on class where you play the diffrent roles and actually do things, not just learn the right name to call a group, or task force, or strike team, or enema.
     
  8. D25

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    +1
    :thumbsup:
     
  9. DScottHewitt

    DScottHewitt EMT-B

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    +87



    They need more classes that are practical based. Like five minutes of "Here is what we are gonna do" and 15 hours, 55 minutes of at least table top exercises......


    Scott


    EDIT TO ADD: At least in the ICS-300 class we are doing some group exercises about how to set up the flow chart and fill it in and how to use the resources you have


    EDIT TO ALSO ADD: The ICS-300 "booklet" is about 40% the thickness of Brady's EMT text
     
  10. DaleGribble

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    Honestly, and I'm not trying to sound jaded here, but when you're surrounded by people needing your help you aren't going to be worried about command posts, incident commanders, logistics officers, operations officers and all that other crap. You have more important things on your mind and none of those things are really addressed by the current fad in training that's going around.

    Give me the training I need to handle the first few hours of a mass casualty, not how it's going to be run after everybody has taken measurements to see who needs to be in charge.
     
  11. DScottHewitt

    DScottHewitt EMT-B

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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



    Short straw wins?!?!?




    Scott
     
  12. MissAmericanPie

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    :shocked:

    Damn, I vote for you.;)

    Sounds like there is some consensus that the problem lies with the fact that the focus is on the process and not the result, which should be getting people the care they need in as timely a fashion as possible.
     
  13. DScottHewitt

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    Yeah. The big deal in NIMS seems to be getting everyone to call the right thing a "tanker".....




    Scott