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Mas Ayoob G21 vs G30

Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by firemedic1343, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. firemedic1343

    firemedic1343 Not an Expert!

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    I know we've discussed this before. But I have a more pointed question.

    In your experience has this reasoning been comparable in the G20 and G29?

     
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    His assertion is that you could bench rest the pistol and see the subcompact Glock outperform the standard size Glock.

    I wish I could screw both pistols into a ransom rest and settle the issue, but shooting freehand, I do have to give a big edge to my G20 over my G29. That's not scientific. That's just me.

    I compare the guns side by side every time I shoot 10mm and I do shoot better groups with my G20 SF than I do with my G29SF. The difference is slight though.

    I don't ever bench rest my pistols, so I have nothing to compare to his test. I don't plan to take the time to test this. If I did end up shooting better groups benchresting with my G29, who is to say it wasn't from the reduced sight radius? Now, if I had a ransom rest, that would be worth investing 50 rounds in a test. .... remove the human factor, that's what I say. :supergrin:
     

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    Excellent. You own both and you feel the G20 has the edge. I'm not really looking for scientific, your response is appreciated~!
     
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    I do appreciate Mr. Ayoob posting here and I don't doubt that he has seen a G29 outshoot a G20 while benchrested.

    At the same time, I can't shoot a freehand 25 yard group this tight with my G29 SF (only my G20 SF). I believe that this is a 30-35 round group.
    [​IMG]

    I would like to see someone test this in a ransom rest though. It seems like that would settle the issue once and for all.

    I do think the G20 handles way better than the G29. As far as a follow on shot, the G20 wins hands down (IMHO of course).
     
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    My Glock 29s are more accurate than my Glock 20s. They are also faster out of the holster (shorter) & they cycle faster (faster on the follow-up shot).

    I own 3.

    Good shooting
     
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    Finally, a vote for the G29. You have a low post count, idk if I should believe you...the Ranger avatar makes me want to lean towards believing you may be credible :supergrin:
     
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    :supergrin: My G29 is accurate enough that the hypothetical, "Which is more accurate" question is quite valid. There's only one way to settle this.

    [​IMG]
     
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    First i respect The Mas's opinion completely. I only have a G20sf and could not imagine a 29 that i could shoot better. I wear XL gloves so the compact framed glocks are as small as i buy. The rest would settle the question and give a answer but some would still not be swayed. Ammo used, distances shot then for some the debate is un-winable, Mas has some very valid points no doubt.
     
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    Yup, I didn't want to cloud the issue, but I'm still searching for the ideal ammo for my G29. I don't expect to find it this year, as I've got a few other projects going on.
     
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    Do a google search on Jay Shebuski.

    -Master rated GSSF & IDPA shooter.
    -US Army, retired
    -Published
    -Currently employed by FN manufacturing as a "Weapons tester".

    The Glock 29 "Is" more accurate than the 20; OR, perhaps all of the pistols manufactured by Glock.

    How 'bout this, I'll shoot a glock 29 @ the Morganton NC GSSF match, 16 April. I'll shoot in the Masters category & the Masters Major Sub.

    Anyone w/a 20 or any other Glock up for the challenge?:supergrin:

    Good shooting
     
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    Now that's what I'm talking about!

    :cheers:
     
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    I'm hoping you post a youtube video. :supergrin:

    Can you recommend a favorite G29 load for accuracy?
    You could save me a lot of range and reloading time.
     
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    +1 Google proofs nothing but a video is priceless.:whistling:
    GT has some very, very good shooters one in particular i really hope he takes this "prideful" statement seriously. ;)


     
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    When you find it let me know. I just cannot find a local 29 to see how it fits my hands. I am not fond of ordering blind. Sure would be a nice carry piece. Good Luck with your projects, :wavey:
     
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    Oh no, I believe that he is who he says he is.
    I would just like to see a video of a fellow Glocktalker shooting.
    If you look up his scores, they are impressive.

    I'm still trying to get my G29 bucked out, so if I can find out what ammo he likes, it might save me a half dozen trips to the range.
     
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    Oh MD i have no doubt about all the google stuff at all i'm just joking around. I would and might go to see some matches soon. A video would be very cool. I would also like some info. about choice ammo weights and what nots for the 10mm. But there are members on here that i have seen videos of that amazed me . Hope your projects are indeed enjoyable,
    David :supergrin:


     
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    Do you attribute this to the double capture spring, or some other design feature of the G29?
     
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    Just guessing, referencing what I've read (ie I am not an engineer): barrel length short/stiff, robust slide weight, double recoil spring design, .40/10mm bullet design/weight selection.

    Good shooting
     
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    Mas is probaby correct but i see the likes of Sevigny and some very young members of Team Glock use the 34 makes me wonder. I could ask Angus Hobdell but he is a CZ guy whom i really appreciate all his help thru the years. I sure would like to see Sevigny take various Glocks thru his paces. Hickok45 has a very informative video about accuracy which is a very subjective word.

    I like my Glocks but my CZ's and HK's are my long time fav.s also. The USP uses a dual very robust recoil spring and are known for accuracy which adds to Mas's theory.

    No dis-respect at all to Buski i'm very happy he shoots Glocks and enjoys the sport of shooting and certain he is very good at it. I sure would have really enjoyed working for most any firearm Co. plus i live in SC myself. But very thankful for all my years of Reliability Testing, Lab and Quality Control from MainFrames to BMW's a Blessed Life/Career.


     
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    Your living in SC?

    Do you shoot @ any of the IDPA, steel challenge, USPSA matches across the State?

    ..if so, I may run into you.

    Will be shooting the NRA TPC match, in Anderson, SC May 14th. I try to hit the matches @ Mid-Carolina, the Central Carolina Club & Greenville.

    Hope to see you out there.

    Good shooting