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Maryland - Stops to reward drivers for seat belt use:

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by HKLovingIT, May 18, 2012.

  1. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

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    In Maryland, yesterday they did a little thing at a checkpoint where if you are wearing your seat belt you could possibly get pulled over and "rewarded" with a dollar. If not, you get some educational materials and maybe a fine.

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/17/maryland-cops-giving-1-to-drivers-with-seatbelts/

    So is it correct to say that under normal circumstances, I think (not sure anymore), that to get pulled over there has to be probable cause that you are in violation of something, motor vehicle violation, whatever?

    But it appears that with this gimmick since you are only being pulled over to be given a "reward" you are okay to be pulled over without any probable cause of a violation. I guess then if during the "reward stop" something comes up, you'll get a ticket or charge for that. :dunno: :rofl:

    Please don't hate on cops in this thread. My thread is about this goofy program that Maryland thought up, not the individuals who were tasked with carrying it out.
     
  2. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Yeah, I have a problem with this. If I'm going to get pulled over, and my trip delayed, I should get at least my normal hourly wage. That would be $0.85 a minute.
     


  3. JFrame

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    They don't get as much publicity -- but I'm guessin' that Maryland can give California a good run for the money for having the most bone-headed governments (state and municipal)...


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  4. Goaltender66

    Goaltender66 NRA GoldenEagle

    In other news, Maryland's legislature and governor (Martin O'Malley) recently agreed to significant tax hikes on middle- and high-income people, based on arguments that otherwise-mandatory cuts to the state budget were too onerous to allow.
     
  5. JFrame

    JFrame

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    I've noticed that the traffic at rush hour on the Wilson Bridge is always worse getting into Virginia than to Maryland in the morning -- and the reverse in the evening. This tells me that there are more Marylanders needing to work and conduct business in VA than the other way around.

    I find that a microcosmic indicator of the relative success of a business-friendly state versus a tax-heavy nanny state.

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  6. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    I see no difference between that and any DUI checkpoint or random ID check. Both are complete violations of the 4th Amendment right to freedom from unreasonable searches. Thanks, Rehnquist, you 'conservative' 'federalist'...

    It boggles my brain that SCOTUS has OK'd them.
     
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  7. G29Reload

    G29Reload Tread Lightly

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    Well, they have to pay for all the extra cops, pulling people over to give away money for flagrantly obeying the law.

    You can't make this crap up. Glad i don't live there anymore.

    I'd have an earful for them if I got this kind of harrassment. GTFO of my way, I'm going to work and don't have time for this horses#$%!!!
     
  8. Numismatist

    Numismatist 5-Stand!

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    I don't think anyone (Gubermint included) has the right to tell me I have to wear a seatbelt...that should be my choice and I accept the consequences of my choice. I really hate these types of laws...

    rant over
     
  9. RustyShackelford

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    Roadblocks and 'Driver Checkpoints' are illegal and unconstitutional. Whether they award you with a dollar or not.
     
  10. firefighter4215

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    Now how do you figure a checkpoint like they commonly use to find DUIs on holidays are illegal?

    Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine
     
  11. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    In a 1990 ruling, SCOTUS basically said it was a violation of the right to unreasonable search and seizure, but ruled that the needs of the 'Public Good' overode Constitutional considerations.

    Complete horse manure.
     
  12. RustyShackelford

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    Because there is the trap that we all have to go through (and the implied guilt) all for "getting drunks off the road". I would love to see an accurate statistic to prove that a) the number of drunks caught is greater than finding them on the open road or b) we are better off in any way for the police state imposed upon us.
     
  13. IGotIt

    IGotIt No Demlibtards

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    In my area, DUI checkpoint locations days and times are printed a day or two prior to operation in local newspapers.

    Re: being stopped to pat me on the back for wearing a seatbelt, that's wrong.
     
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  14. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Why not use camera's, and just send a check to the good guys?


    Why stop them? I'd feel a bit put out by that.
     
  15. Toyman

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    I'm pretty sure that other States have tried this in the past and it didn't go over well in the courts for them.
     
  16. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    I guarantee you that some nimrod (I so seldom get to use that word in a sentence...) would complain because the State obviously can't prove that it was him driving the car that day.
     
  17. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    I wonder what the courts would say if they pulled over a driver FOR wearing his seatbelt and then smelled alcohol...
     
  18. barbedwiresmile

    barbedwiresmile Unreconstructed

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    Here we go...
     
  19. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Just an added benefit I'm sure. :faint:

    Pretty sneaky, now wearing a seatbelt is grounds to begin a conversation on the roadside with a LEO.

    Very good insight. Proof that a little paranoia is a very healthy thing.
     
  20. hogship

    hogship It's MY Island

    Has it occurred to anyone else that "probable cause" is no longer necessary?

    Wear a seat belt......get pulled over.

    Don't wear a seat belt......get pulled over.


    :shocked:



    I'd say it's a possibility this whole reward thing just might be a sneaky way to subvert the law. It appears as though the Highway Patrol can pull anyone over at any time.....and justify their actions.

    Just sayin........:whistling:

    ooc
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2012