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Mark of the Beast

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Kingarthurhk, May 5, 2012.


  1. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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  2. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfmUTkLFips"]14 - 3AM: The Mark of The Beast Part 1 - Stephen Bohr - YouTube[/ame]


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  3. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00dmGW2fv1M&feature=relmfu"]13 - 3AM: 666: The Number of The Beast - Stephen Bohr - YouTube[/ame]
     
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  4. Kingarthurhk

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  6. Kingarthurhk

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX4wneSc1SA"]Dr Arnold Murray Mark of the Beast Shepherdschapel.wmv - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    This is fair. I think that the symbols in Revelation need to be defined by the same symbols used elsewhere in the Bible.

    The Lion represents Babylon in the Book of Daniel and the Bear represents the dual kingdom of Medo Persia. The winged lion was the symbol put upon many of the bricks of Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon.

    Daniel 7:2 Daniel spoke and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove on the great sea.
    7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
    7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’ wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand on the feet as a man, and a man’ heart was given to it.
    7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus to it, Arise, devour much flesh.
    7:6 After this I beheld, and see another, like a leopard, which had on the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    You lose your place in history by bringing Russia, Britain and such into the interpretation.
     
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  11. Kingarthurhk

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  13. Kingarthurhk

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    What a bizarre bunch of biblical bullhocky.
     
  15. Kingarthurhk

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    I am guessing it is the biblical part that bothers you?
     
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    Well, in a word, yes.
     
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    Okay, why does the bible bother you?
     
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    That is a long story, covering 5+ decades of church membership and participation. I was Chairman of our Board of Deacons 10 years ago. Had an incident in our church that really started me thinking about just what the Bible is. That incident centered around a non-member presenting a Sunday School lesson that was nothing more than a canned DVD on Creationism, produced by the Heritage Foundation.

    I generally don't like stepping on anothers toes over their religious beliefs, so I go out of my way not to offend others. But this incident, and her teaching of a 6000 year old earth as "truth" really went against my grain. She asked me, and the other members of our congregation to simply disregard accepted science, science that I was taught in 12 years of public school, and 4 years of college (BA in Chemistry and Biology), and accept her magical explanation of the creation of the world.

    Anyway, as a result of many unanswered questions over a long period of time ("you just have to take it on faith" or "you shouldn't be asking those questions" were the common responses) I began to study the historical Bible, as well as the religious teachings of other major religions.

    It takes a lot of courage to question what you have been taught, no indoctrinated with, for 50 years. It was also a little scary, because the traces of those teachings (ie burning in hell for eternity) remain. But after I did a lot of reading, and discussion with others who have gone through what I am going through, I have finally gotten to a place where I think I can be objective on this issue. And an objective, rational, reasoned analysis of the issue leads me to believe that while the Bible is a beautiful collection of prose, and that it offers many "truths" in how we should live our lives in relationship to others, even those different from ourselves, it is hardly the word of "God".

    When you look at the Bible as a historical document, it is pretty obvious that it was first an amalgum of different religious tracts/teachings that were around in the 4th century. The Council of Nicea, with a very pronounced agenda of cobbling together a religion that would hopefully be acceptable to the masses (trying to appease those who followed Christ's teachings, with the various Gnostic beliefs, pagan beliefs and the remnants of the Roman multi-diest beliefs) picked, chose and edited those writings they thought achieved their agenda, while discarding, ignoring or destroying countless other gospels/tracts. So the initial Bible was the result of a concerted effort to construct a religion that would gain the political end of calming the potentially violent disagreements over differiing religious beliefs of the times. Hard to argue with the fact that there is a lot of pagan symbology in modern Christianity, just do a google search.

    Over the years, the original texts of the Bible have been often edited, usually by the priesthood, to reflect changing attitudes and ideas (ie the role of gender in church politics) prevelant at the time. There have been numerous errors in translations, some inentional some not. But it is hard to deny that the Bible has been edited over the centuries by those with an agenda to do so. And the main agenda has been an effort by the priesthood to preserve their role as intermediaries between God and the masses. There has always been an unspoken alliance between the priesthood and the ruling class. The monarchies in Europe often had a "choosen" religion, which was allowed to flourish, pretty much unchecked. Why? Because the religion that was being peddled to the masses taught them to be meek, and to subject themselves to the worldly authorities. Their reward for living a destitute, pitiful existence on earth would be to see things turned upside down for eternity in heaven.

    Sorry to have gone on so long. I have to get to work, but you asked for my explanation, and this is a good part of it.
     
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    Well said, fowl.
     
  20. Brasso

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    OK. So you just described Christianity.

    What has that go to do with the Bible?
     
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