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Manny Villar's CHILD SAFETY FIREARMS ACT bill

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by New_comer, Sep 10, 2007.

  1. How do you think this would affect our guns. Up front, I can see that my HK and 1911 cannot pass this standard, due to the absence of magazine disconnects. Only the BHP and the Bersa Thunder 380 has this :shocked:
     
  2. 9MX

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    Well, reading it as is, unlawful covers only the act of selling, cause of selling, manufacture, and importing. But not ownership, so I guess, we're safe:)
     


  3. What if you'd need to unload and get something you've dreamed of? We can't even sell our wares!!!! :shocked:

    I still want a P7M8, a P2K, P32, 24/7, 239, etcetera...

    All non-conforming! :steamed: :brickwall: :burn:

    What kind of a law is that? :crazy:
     
  4. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    he has a point when it comes for the safety of kids, there are numbers, if not many, of gun owners that are so irresponsible with firearms. there are people who have guns at home yet they selfishly deny it to the kids in the house that make these kids more curious and leads them to danger. why not just make regulations that when buying gun it should go with a locking device, such as locks that are placed in the triggers rather than regulate guns that should be sold in the philippines. just my two cents...
     
  5. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    for the guns the we have already owned it might be safe. in case the propose law would turn into effect, our future buys will be only limited to some models for it would be illegal to gun distributors to sell fa's without the specific safety features.
     
  6. batangueno

    batangueno Shock Resist

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    So time to buy firearms na before this law gets into effect. :supergrin:

    I think for child safety, the law should focus on the owners and not the firearm. Firearm safety education still is the best way to prevent accidents.
     
  7. anticentipede

    anticentipede IN GOD WE TRUST

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    Another stupid moron pretending to care about kids.

    How disgusting.

    Sen Villar should leave the selling of guns to gun shops.


    If he really cares about kids, he should promote the death penalty for pedophiles.

    He should also make it easier for people to own and carry firearms and other personnal defense weapons in public.

    That way parents can protect their children.
     
  8. ahtsay

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    Pare eventually we won't be able to buy these guns....look at number "2". E di lahat ng 1911 and 2011 hinde na pwede? :shocked: How do you "hammer down, holster" with guns that won't fire without the magazine inside? I have a P22, and I hate that safety feature. I don't think the gun is safer because it won't fire without the magazine. I think he just copied the Bill from somewhere in the US, most likely California. Its really useless, a 7 year old child can discharge any firearm, regardless of its complexity as long as it is loaded. Give him less than 3 mins and he will eventually, by trial and error, be able to discharge the firearm. It is the responsibility of the parents/adults to make sure guns do not end up in the hands of a child. It is impossible for guns to be designed as child proof, that is not the purpose of guns. The best child protection device is a locked container. However if your gun is used as a carry piece, then just make sure if you are home that the chamber is empty. I don't think a 7 year old will have the strength to rack the slide.

    In my opinion, this is an anti-gun bill disguised as a child safety firearms act. This way, the bill gets more sentiment and support from people that are not familiar with firearms. :upeyes:
     
  9. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    100% :thumbsup:

    sa pag bili ng baril uli, yun ang problema ko...:sad:
     
  10. batangueno

    batangueno Shock Resist

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    Villar will surely not get my vote this 2010. :steamed:
     
  11. 9MX

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    lets not get too personal on the senator, he is doing his job and like all of us, he won't be able to please everybody.

    of course we all know that the ultimate safety device of a firearm is the owner. it all begins and ends with him or her
     
  12. BTW, where the heck is PROGUN and AFAD? :headscratch::steamed: :brickwall:

    Why haven't they been on top of this? If not for my accidental Googling of info to respond to another thread, I wouldn't have chanced upon this... :rant: :rant: :rant:
     
  13. Allegra

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    I'd prefer gun owner's be required to perform skills and gunhandling test before they can buy a gun

    I've helped sa gun safetey seminar , the skills test is too easy
     
  14. What are the numbers/stats? How many people were injured/killed because a firearm did not have this childproof safety device?

    If you ask me, this is another one of those "nice to have" legislations and should be categorized together with those "priority" bills our Senate has spent millions on to pass. Those bills changing the names of our streets.

    We would be better served if they passed a law to childproof guns against those who are "batang isip". :animlol:

    Or is it "isip bata"? :laughabove:
     
  15. Allegra

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    Kaya pala ayaw ako bigyan ng pinsan ko ng ptt ,due to mental immaturity daw
    Sabihin ko nga magbasa sya dito, ng lahat din kayo hindi mabigyan :)
     
  16. Mang Danny

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    That proposed new law is a classic technique of anti gun people to slowly eat away at people's ability to own guns. Just imagine, magazine disconnect and loaded chamber indicator in one sweep. A similar law is in effect here in California, except that only new guns submitted for California approval need to be compliant. Models which have already been "drop tested" are exempt.

    The ammo "microstamping law" have been ressurrected here. We are awaiting developments.:sad:
     
  17. This is what I found regarding children and trigger pull:
    Villar has now shown his true color, a tyrant in the making. I'm with batangueno here: I will never vote for him again! :steamed:
     
  18. Allegra

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    He's not anti gun , his nephews were very avid shooters and a lot of shooters supported him when he first ran for the senate
     
  19. pipo

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    how much time do we have?????? got to make that order na. fast!!!:sad:
     
  20. horge

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    I think it's a lot of unnecessary busywork.
    From a practical (executive) standpoint, though...


    It isn't THAT mechanically difficult to incorporate a
    magazine disconnect safety into the 1911 pattern:
    Run a spring-loaded disconnect strap in a channel in the front
    of the magwell. The top of the disconnect will have a bend and
    a stud that will allow (or block) rearward travel of the
    trigger "bow", depending on whether a magazine pushes it up or not.
    You won't need to alter the mags, whose bottom plate would push
    the disconnect up when inserted. The disconnect's leaf spring
    would be set flush into the front of the magwell lip.

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    Loaded chamber indicators have been around a long time,
    just fatten up an external extractor so it sticks out from
    the slide when the claw rests on a chambered case.
    Make it bright red, topside.

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    I'm surprised he hasn't called for trigger locks, but then again,
    I believe that was Sen. Pangilinan's pet project-in-the-works.