close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Welcome to Glock Talk

Why should YOU join our Glock forum?

  • Converse with other Glock Enthusiasts
  • Learn about the latest hunting products
  • Becoming a member is FREE and EASY

If you consider yourself a beginner or an avid shooter, the Glock Talk community is your place to discuss self defense, concealed carry, reloading, target shooting, and all things Glock.

Mandatory Chant: "Our Forefathers Were Illegal Immigrants"

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by maxsnafu, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. maxsnafu

    maxsnafu

    2,942
    1
    Dec 29, 2006
  2. countrygun

    countrygun

    17,069
    17
    Mar 9, 2012
    OK, so some of my ancestors had an "open door" policy. It was a mistake. Everybody outta the pool and GTFO.

    :tongueout:
     


  3. Paul7

    Paul7 New Guy

    15,280
    1,591
    Dec 16, 2004
    East of Eden
    When the first English colonists came to North America, they were coming from one part of English territory to another, so they were NOT illegal immigrants. Same thing here in NM, there are hundreds of thousands of descendants of Spanish settlers, who came from Spain or South American Spanish territory to what is now NM Spanish territory.
     
  4. Beware Owner

    Beware Owner NOT a victim.

    8,555
    0
    Oct 16, 2007
    They didn't use the term illegal immigrant back then, but...
     
  5. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

    20,034
    4,182
    Aug 28, 2008
    Fort Worth Texas
    Their forefathers were legal immigrants, not illegal immigrants.
    Too many people get the terms mixed.

    This country was built by legal immigrants.
    All the illegal immigrants have ever done is take from this country and never give anything back.
     
  6. JFrame

    JFrame

    38,219
    5,724
    May 29, 2001
    Mid-Atlantic, US of A
    Well, this is certainly moral relativism taken to a ridiculous extreme...


    .
     
  7. LASTRESORT20

    LASTRESORT20 LongTerm-Guy

    19,135
    27,188
    Aug 10, 2010
    NC
    And then our Forefathers made laws for "their" new home.
     
  8. Beware Owner

    Beware Owner NOT a victim.

    8,555
    0
    Oct 16, 2007
    This territory didn't belong to the colonists, it wasn't given to them...

    REally? Where did they apply for their visas?
     
  9. oldman11

    oldman11

    5,066
    1,998
    Mar 1, 2012
    Texas
    BINGO! You got it right. The same goes for Texas.
     
  10. ModGlock17

    ModGlock17

    4,386
    1,303
    Dec 18, 2010
    DisneyWorld
    Were you even legal, back in, say Italy ?

    Did your original ancestors had legal papers to move to the land now called Italy?

    LOL.
     
  11. countrygun

    countrygun

    17,069
    17
    Mar 9, 2012

    Do you understand the concept of "Legal"?


    There wasn't an existing law in North America that made migration "Illegal" hence the could not have been doing anything illegal.
     
  12. Beware Owner

    Beware Owner NOT a victim.

    8,555
    0
    Oct 16, 2007
    You don't need a law to tell someone what belongs to them...
     
  13. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

    20,034
    4,182
    Aug 28, 2008
    Fort Worth Texas

    Visas were not required. The original immigrants broke no laws when they came to America.

    Unlike the current crop of illegal trespassers who do break the law when they enter this country illegally.

    There's a big difference.

    ..
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2012
  14. Beware Owner

    Beware Owner NOT a victim.

    8,555
    0
    Oct 16, 2007
    They took over something that didn't belong to them, even if there was no written law, it's the same basic principle.
     
  15. countrygun

    countrygun

    17,069
    17
    Mar 9, 2012
    Ignorance is not your friend.

    The Natives at the time did not have a concept of "possesion" as we know it. Their "territory" was limited to what they were standing on basically. Personal possesions were also shared.

    Quit looking at history through the glasses of today's values/morals/concepts.
     
  16. well i think the USDA should be rebuilt from the ground up, with out the progressive liberalism part
     
  17. G17Jake

    G17Jake

    6,132
    319
    Sep 13, 2002
    Who did it belong to?
     
  18. Paul7

    Paul7 New Guy

    15,280
    1,591
    Dec 16, 2004
    East of Eden
    Where was the Indian's titles to the land? They were constantly fighting each other for possession, and in the white man ran into a superior opponent. If you disagree, perhaps you could give your house lot back to the Indians.
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2012
  19. PawDog

    PawDog NRA Member

    3,302
    22
    Mar 3, 2005
    Big Thicket, Texas
    And the natives here when the colonists arrived also migrated here from other locations, many proven to be from Asia. Were they illegal also? :upeyes:
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2012
  20. rgregoryb

    rgregoryb Sapere aude

    8,315
    1,250
    Oct 20, 2004
    Republic of Alabama
    conquerors is more like it, and the winners write the history...........