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Discussion in 'Paid Membership System' started by BigChuck73, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. BigChuck73

    BigChuck73 Registered Lurk

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    How will the management style of the site change with a paid membership? Will moderators still close threads and ban people at their whim and will, or will consideration be made to those who've paid to be here?

    Will your own mentality change now that you're providing a service? You know the customers always right, etc?

    I'm fine with paying to be here, lord knows I get enough enjoyment. I have however seen a number of threads closed, a few people banned, and you yourself expressing a "My Way or the Highway" mentality.

    In short, how do you foresee the overall management style after the tier system is launched?
     
  2. Eric

    Eric Big Giant Head Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Buddy, I have been providing a service for a decade. My mods and admins volunteer to help out here and I think they do a pretty damned good job.

    Will someone who pays get shown more leeway when they act up? No. They will not. The same behavior will be expected of everyone. Paid membership is not going to be a get-out-of-jail-free card.At any rate, it has been my experience that the people who step up to support the site are seldom the ones starting the trouble.

    I will add some new functionality and structure to the warning and banning system, but tis is not being done in response to the paid tier. It is just something that neds doing. For the record, I am the only one who can ban people and I don't do it on a whim. Eric
     

  3. KYMike

    KYMike 9mm Apologist

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    I don't think a change needs to be made. We do see some uneven enforcement...but you have subjective individuals doing the enforcing (and more than one, each with their own interpretations).

    I DO think, though, that a disclaimer should be made at purchase that the buyer agrees they can still be banned, there will NOT be a refund, and you must still follow the rules.

    You can't just buy a pass to participate in anarchy!!
     
  4. Eric

    Eric Big Giant Head Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    There will be such a disclaimer, just as there is on every other site I have researched that offers a paid tier like this. I hate legaleze, but many points like this will need to be covered. Eric
     
  5. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    If you pay a membership at a gym, a community pool or pay the cover at a night club, you're still subject to ejection for the day and/or banishment.

    It's still Eric's house, Eric's rules.
     
  6. BigChuck73

    BigChuck73 Registered Lurk

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    I submit if this is a paid tier system, something I've never personally seen on a message board, then Eric should be beholden to his customer base.

    While it may be true for other companies, would you actually visit a store or business who plainly said, "It's our store, our rules?". I bet you wouldn't.
     
  7. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    I do every time I walk into the gun store, wal-mart, the Sonoco down the street, and Piggly Wiggly grocery store. You do as well.

    If you've never seen a paid tier system, then you have not looked hard. Look some more.
     
  8. Critias

    Critias Freelancer CLM

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    Then stop showing up, or don't pay for a membership (since you don't have to pay to come here).

    Those of us who aren't worried about getting banned, and who aren't interested in trying to wave a credit card receipt in the face of a mod when we step out of line, will support GlockTalk just fine without your help.
     
  9. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    That too :supergrin:
     
  10. BigChuck73

    BigChuck73 Registered Lurk

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    Not trying to start trouble, but you're 100% incorrect.

    Companies have policies in place that we can take or leave, but to have a company publicly say it's there way or the highway has never happened. If so, please point me to a source.
     
  11. BigChuck73

    BigChuck73 Registered Lurk

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    I'm absolutely not worried about getting banned. Nor am I suggesting a get out of jail free card. I'm suggesting do a search for Eric's posts and you'll see numerous times he's said in short, "If you don't like it leave".

    That's a horrible business slogan and I'm interested in how it will change once people start paying to be here.

    However, I'm starting to get the sense it's not going to change. No problem, I'll still lurk.
     
  12. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    So, what you're saying is no one has ever been thrown out of a nightclub that they paid to get into?

    No one has ever had their Gold's Gym membership canceled for breaking house rules?

    No one has had their Sam's Club membership taken away?

    No lawyer has ever been disbarred for violating terms of service?

    No life member of the National Eagle Scout Association has ever had the membership revoked?

    Wow.
     
  13. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    Eh, I'm done with this. Enjoy your stay.
     
  14. MB-G26

    MB-G26 Queen of Fail Lifetime Member

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    <---- Volunteers to help with the legaleze/beagleze :thumbsup:
     
  15. vote Republican

    vote Republican White and nerdy Moderator

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    ar15.com has a paid membership option. There's a nice big one for you.

    Read the back of your movie theater ticket sometime, something along the lines of if you misbehave we can kick your butt out and you don't get a refund. Try it sometime, see if they don't.

    Look at the TOS - they're really not that hard to follow.
     
  16. Mrs. VR

    Mrs. VR Sharon, you will be missed.

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    Not to mention, the TOS is what makes GT as pleasant a place to be as it is. If paid members were allowed to violate the TOS based on "the customer is always right", it would cease to be a nice place to visit. Then NO ONE would want to pay for a membership. I'm sorry that you think that things are unevenly enforced, the fact remains that we're all volunteer, and the sheer volume of threads disallows us from reading every single post. If you see something you think needs attention, please feel free to "report to moderator".
     
  17. Eric

    Eric Big Giant Head Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    BigChuck73, it is pretty obvious, from your comments in this thread, that you have a chip on your shoulder concerning the way me and my mods run this site. It apparently doesn't bother you enough to keep you from making use of the services we provide freely, but if you think that buying a membership gives you the right to dictate terms to me or be treated differently, please keep your money in your pocket. You will only create problems for both of us.

    Your assertion that no companies have a 'my way or the highway' policy as you put it, that no company charges people to enter their establishment with conditions for their continued presence there is patently ridiculous. It happens every day, all over the place. I built this place, I run it I fix it when it is broken and I deal with its problems. I think that qualifies me to be the one that sets the minimum standards of conduct. I think the rules I have set are simple, easy to understand and easy to follow. You are under no obligation to join the paid tier or to even hang out here. If you do though, I DO have a right to establish and enforce rules of conduct here. Eric
     
  18. mitchshrader

    mitchshrader Deceased

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    idiot to nice folks ratios of any site on the net.

    i do my part to prevent perfection and am tolerated, so far, to my great amazement.

    anybody puts up with *me* has no fear of being called intolerant.

    i've watched the site become overloaded by popularity and pestered by Gunkid, annoyed by religious and political zealots of various stripes, heard 900 repetitions of 9mm vs .45 ACP caliber wars, and it's still one of the most open and friendly places to meet decent people i've met. Beats heck out of the average VFW hall..

    DARN GOOD JOB, ERIC!

    I'll (finally) be supporting this site with a contribution.

    I'm poor, don't support very MANY causes, and could use the money myself.. it's not cause I approve of glocks I'm joining up..

    credit where due. Ya earned it. Thank You.
     
  19. tonyc

    tonyc Damn sheeple

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    I don't know Eric, you try to do good and still get kicked in the nuts.

    I hope all goes good with this. I think it is a very good idea.:thumbsup:
     
  20. mike253

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    BigChuck seems to have concerns based on previous experiences. While I can understand, it most certainly does not apply to GlockTalk.

    Do I agree with every ass chewing I've gotten from the mods? Nope.. Do I understand why the mods have to hand out ass chewings? Yes, if they didn't, this would not be a forum I'd want to participate in.

    GT is chock full of incredibly opinionated folks, sometimes we bark at each other, sometimes we step out of line. Alot of us (myself very much included) don't know how to back down when we think we're right. It's the job of the mods to make sure this place stays clean and "friendly". I've never seen them ban anyone for anything "silly", and I've never seen them take action "just because they could". If you do something in violation of the TOS, they let you know.

    I gladly paid for a membership as soon as I found out they were available, I fully expect that I'll do something stupid down the line, and I fully expect to get chewed out for it. When that happens, I'll take my lumps, and I sure as heck won't tell them "I'm a member, you can't talk to me like that!"

    My reason for paying was simple. I appreciate the information I've gotten from here, I've had countless hours of entertainment reading the various threads, and I've made a few gun purchases here that saved me hundreds of dollars. If my few dollars helps to keep this place strong and vital (If Eric can afford to keep this place running well, it'll draw new members and keep the good ones around, therefore I get more good information and more possible buys from the classified sections) then I'm happy.