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Man with gun in Walmart arrested for refusing to show permit

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by TBO, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. NickC50310

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    Sorry for being dumb this morning but what is preemmption?

    Second question- yes, I beleive so.

    No- open carry is legal statewide. Without a permit- only in unincorporated areas. With a permit- statewide including within city limits.
     
  2. Roger1079

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    I would say the uniform with badge and gun probably should have given it away.

    Just another idiot with a firearm making the rest of us look bad.
     

  3. Roger1079

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    I have never seen an off duty officer on any detail at any institution anywhere where they were not wearing their department issued uniform. It would totally defeat the purpose of the detail which is SHOWING POLICE PRESENCE IN THE BUILDING.
     
  4. Jeeez,, I can't believe you guys haven't noticed that every single WM store has security. They're located at every entrance. It's those nasty Greeters. They are actually highly trained assassins in deep, deep, deep, cover, ready to give you a beat down at a moments notice. :whistling:
     
  5. Roger1079

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    So you would rather get arrested and charged than show something to a LEO that has the RIGHT BY LAW to demand it? With "activists" like you around, it is no wonder people who carry are villainized and stereotyped the way we are.

    And who the heck said anything about consenting to a search of any kind? It is always the same argument from people like you. If this guy had just furnished what the officer asked for, he would have been on his way in no time. Instead, he has to break the law like an idiot, get arrested, add another charge for resisting, and wait for like minded people to cry about their Constitutional rights. No wonder gun owners rights are going down the drain as fast as they are.

    :faint:
     
  6. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    Not familiar with Clyde, eh? :D

    Sent from the toe of my jack boot using Tapatalk 2
     
  7. RussP

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    No local jurisdiction may enact and/or enforce any law contrary to State law.

    Okay, first you said...
    Then you said...
    Known fact is, "Alivonta had a permit to purchase firearms and one to carry a gun...," therefore, he could legally open carry, right?
     
  8. Bruce M

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    :animlol::bowdown::number1:
     
  9. TK-421

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    Oh I'm a transplant, I'd shoot myself if I was raised in Texas, way too many moronic republicans here for me to ever be happy, and the weather is too hot for me to want to stay. As soon as I can afford it and I find a better job, I'm gone for somewhere cooler, probably on the east coast.

    And what's wrong with the attitude? You think it's wrong of me to hand over my ID and be done in two minutes, rather than try and demand every single "right" and ***** with the cop about every little thing he does? Gee, I figure that's the quickest way to get my ass thrown in jail, and I'm not the kind of moron who would spend a night in jail to try and make a point to the cop. You know why? Because doing so would serve ZERO purpose, none what so ever. The cop would think you're just another gun toting moron, would not have any impression made, and he'd go on about his duties, remembering you only as a funny story he can use to share a laugh with his buddies.

    I'd rather just be courteous and polite, hand over my ID and then walk away when he is done with me a short time later. Check out all the videos on youtube of guys who are openly carrying and get stopped by police and they ***** up and down the block about the cop stopping them. I bet there isn't one of those videos where the encounter lasted less than 10 minutes, even if it was edited to make it seem like it took less time. That's not only 10 minutes of your time you're wasting, but 10 minutes of the cops time as well. Where as, if you're polite and courteous, instead of a ******, then I bet the cop would be gone in five minutes, rather than ten or even twenty.

    I'm so sorry I respect my time more than you do and want any encounter with the police to be as short as possible. I don't break the law, I don't have any warrants, I don't hate the police, I have nothing to hide. If they want to spend a few minutes talking to me, I'll let them. If they want my ID, I'll gladly hand it over. I have no reason to be afraid or be a dick, I have nothing to hide.
     
  10. HollowHead

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    Relax. You're trying to reason with a guy who OCs an AR pistol at Denny's... HH
     
  11. Bruce M

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    Not every police encounter bolsters Constitutional rights or sets a precedent.
     
  12. TK-421

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    I'll have to keep that in mind, thanks. :rofl:
     
  13. relayman

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    WalMart has a right to ban firearms from it's property , forbid open carry , or require the person to have a permit or whatever the hell else they feel like . It's private property. Forget all of the arguments about state or local law . If an authorized agent of that company asks you to show your permit , you either comply or shop elsewhere .
     
  14. RussP

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    Walmart's corporate policy is to adhere to the laws of the state where the store is located, so, yeah, applicable laws, state and local, are in play.
     
  15. RussP

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    True...
     
  16. brboyer

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    If an authorized agent of that company asks you to show your permit , you either comply or shop elsewhere.

    Uh, one is under no legal obligation to follow a property owner's request, save one - leave.
     
  17. tantrix

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    Well that's what I meant...open carry is legal here statewide, city limits or not. It is also legal with no permit required.

    With that said, nobody has answered my question yet: Since he was open carrying (weapon NOT concealed), why was a CHL permit even requested? Unless Iowa is one of those retarded states where you have to have permit to even open carry...then of course, you're not a true open-carry state to begin with.



    Permit or not, I can walk in and leave with multiple handguns or rifles in about 10 minutes. I really don't see how it could be any faster.



    You're assuming. Since some in this thread that even live there can't get their story straight on open carry, and when and where you can do it, not wonder the guy got arrested...the LEO in question probably didn't even know wtf to do.
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2012
  18. Roger1079

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    And so are you. So because some individuals who live there are shaky about the laws, it must mean that the officer didn't know what he was doing? Seems like a much larger assumption than I made.
     
  19. Roger1079

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    Haven't had the pleasure until now. Definitely encountered his type on many occasions though.
     
  20. SgtScott31

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    From the minimal research I have done it appears you are required to have a permit to carry whether concealed or not. If that's the case, then the officer was within his right to request to see it per IA law. Same situation in my state.