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Man with gun in Walmart arrested for refusing to show permit

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by TBO, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. tantrix

    tantrix J'aimeLouisiane

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    If state law says you must show your permit to LE, then you must do it. However, since he was open-carrying I don't see why this was even an issue. Here, it would have simply been some form of picture ID and he would have gone on his way unless the store manager insisted he leave the premises.
     
  2. oldman11

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    What I don't understand is why the hesitancy to show the CHL when asked, even if it's just Walmarts own security. It only takes a second and then everyone is happy.
     

  3. tantrix

    tantrix J'aimeLouisiane

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    Because he was open carrying...if open carry is legal there without a permit, there is no reason to even ask for such a thing.
     
  4. Chuck TX

    Chuck TX CLM

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    Apparently it doesn't go so well all the time. :supergrin:

    What's littering got to do with it? :rofl:
     
  5. txleapd

    txleapd Hook 'Em Up

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    You've seen a "Walmart Security Guard Uniform"?

    Really? I never have. Weird.


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  6. b_oglethorpe

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    The police violated his rights an we should start collecting for a legal defense fund!!!!!

    Haha I'm kidding.
     
  7. pipedreams

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    :agree:

    This, this case has nothing to do with conceal carry and showing a permit. It is simply open carry and if the management of the store felt uncomfortable with the situation they should ask the person to leave. If they refuse then a trespass charge can be issued by law enforcement. This has nothing to do with conceal carry or any type of permit.
     
  8. tantrix

    tantrix J'aimeLouisiane

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    Exactly.
     
  9. txleapd

    txleapd Hook 'Em Up

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    I don't know how it is in Iowa, but in Texas the authority take legal action is always in effect for Peace Officers. Regardless of on duty, working a secondary assignment, or off duty.

    As a side note, my department requires you to wear your department uniform when working a secondary assignment gig, and log on with Communications, so you can be put into CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch).


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  10. JJohnson

    JJohnson Call me Jeff

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    Cool thanks. Our permit to purchase pistols allows one to walk into a store and skip the background check completely. Considering the time savings and convenience, I guess Chuck TX was right, it is a progressive idea.

    These are only used if one doesn't have a CCW. Since we are a "shall issue" state now, I assume this document will be phased out eventually.
     
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  11. pmcjury

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    I've seen people say this several times, but I am curious how a state issued license trumps federal law. Isn't the nics check mandated at the federal level for all ffl sales.

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  12. Permit? What is this permit for carry/purchase you speak of? Damn I love AZ :rofl:

    Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

    Clyde
     
  13. TK-421

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    I honestly have no idea if the NICS check is mandated at the federal level, I haven't looked into it. However, the story I've heard is that if someone has a valid CHL, then they already know that their background is clear, and they don't need to go through the effort of checking it again.

    Or maybe they just assume that since they have their CHL, they'll clear the background check, so they don't need the person to wait around while they do it.
     
  14. JJohnson

    JJohnson Call me Jeff

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    Do you have an AZ check and a NICS check to complete at time of purchase from a dealer ?
     
  15. pipedreams

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    I believe you are correct about on duty or off duty here in Iowa or most any state. I think where this went sideways if the story is correct is the officer should of just ask for identification rather than a CC permit. Apparently the police Sgt. either didn't know the difference between open carry and conceal or he just choose to ignore it. Just my personal opinion but open carry in a dept store is just not a good idea regardless if it is legal or not. On second thought maybe the officer did ask for ID and was told he had a CC but simply refused to produce it. It could of been so simple if the guy produced the permit and the office realized he most likely was no threat and just suggested the man conceal his weapon since people were uneasy.
     
  16. Chuck TX

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    Allows? You have to have one to purchase a pistol then, right?

    I don't.
     
  17. JJohnson

    JJohnson Call me Jeff

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    You have to pass a background check at time of purchase. I don't.
     
  18. clancy

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    The local Walmart has uniformed security guards, several of whom made the local paper for stealing several thousand dollars worth of merchandise. I am in NYS, which also went for Obama. What a coincidence.
     
  19. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    My Wal-mart hires off-duty Officers (in police uniform).

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  20. Little Joe

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    Why create waves? I would ease their mind and be on my way. It's easier on me, and a good faith civility.