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M1 Garand WWB ammo?

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by TrueGunNut, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. TrueGunNut

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    Waiting on my Springfield M1 from CMP and ordered 300 rounds of Greek m2 ball... BUT! I am already shopping around for more ammo that is faster to get than from the CMP

    SGAMMO has Winchester White Box 147 grain fmj that they say is safe for the m1 garand http://www.sgammo.com/product/winch...inchester-mil-spec-147-grain-fmj-ammo-usa3006

    Yall trust that? :dunno: Can't seem to find too much info on the web about the ammo. I know federal has an m1 garand american eagle load... I like Win more, though.
     
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  2. TrueGunNut

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    Also, going to pick up a GI sling, bandoleers and clips.... anything an M1 newbie should know about ownership?
     


  3. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    It looks like standard .30-06 ball ammo to me, so why wouldn't the Garand be able to take the load?
     
  4. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Google "Garand Thumb".
     
  5. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    From Winchester:


    Winchester's product guide lists a MV of over 3020 fps for the USA3006 loading.
    This is over the M2 ball spec that the Garand was meant to use. If or how closely
    the pressure curve and peak pressure of this load matches the M2 spec is impossible
    to say from what is published. With that uncertainty I'd pass on its regular use.
    Replacing a bent op rod or cracked receiver cost to much for me to want to
    test the load in my rifle.


    In short,......the Garand was designed around a specific
    powder burn rate. Newer production ammunition burns
    much slowerer! Using this Winchester ammo can/may damage
    your Garand! I'd suggest waiting until you get the proper
    ammo, ot get a Schuster's adjustable gas nut.
     
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  6. Leigh

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    M1 GI spec ball ammo was not loaded to the same pressure specs as current-day commercial 30-06.

    To be safe, most shooters will install an adjustable gas plug (i.e. Shuster) to save wear & tear on the op rod.
     
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  7. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    M2 ball ammunition specs:

     
  8. TrueGunNut

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    Thanks guys. I will just stick with m2 ball. Not interested in adjusting any gas settings.

    Still, I"m glad I went with an M1 vs. a springfield M1A IN .308

    I was thinking about one or the other...or BOTH. But the M1 Garand's history, as a collector, is just so much better than the m14/m1a IMHO
     
  9. TrueGunNut

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    ^^ I just hope I'm not chasing spent en-bloc clips! AND brass!
     
  10. camelotkid

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    good info here, I am wanting to get in on one of these cmp garands soon
     
  11. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Most CMP ammo comes in clips.
     
  12. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    What FAA said. It's not even chamber pressure that's the problem, its the pressure presented to the gas system and op rod that can screw it up. The wrong powder load can present equal max chamber pressure, but too high of a pressure load on the op rod, really screwing things up.
     
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  13. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Think of the powder as being a locomotive.
    The rest of the train is the Garand's operating rod.

    If the Locomotive pushes too fast, the train jumps the track
    & no longer stays in a straight line.
     
  14. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    Or, worse, blows up the whole damn train!
     
  15. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Boom goes the boiler room!
     
  16. Best advice is to contact the manufacturer of the ammo. I know Hornady and Federal both make GI M1 Garand ammo. The other thing to do is to reload and/or get a schuster gas plug that is adjustable. You adjust the amount of gas flow until the weapon functions then give it a turn or two to make sure there is sufficient volume. The only problem is you have to do that when you switch ammo types. The benefit is that the gas that bleeds off means less recoil on you, less energy on theparts and most times better accuracy.
     
  17. Bob Hafler

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    If your smart you'll just use ammo designed for the M1 Garand. Ammo designed for M1's is cheaper then op rods.
    I've used the federals designed for the M1 Garand with some good results.
     
  18. sarge83

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    What he said--get the adjustable gas nut or you will eventually damage your piece.
     
  19. mgs

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    I have both and each has it's merits. My M1A is more accurate and is scoped with a Springfield mount and uses less powder. If I had to choose one......M1A, Mike.
     
  20. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    I've owned both,....sold the M1A.
    Mainly because at the time I had a 1903A3 as well.

    If I could only have a M1A or a Garand,.......tough call.
    Most likely would keep the Garand.