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Looting Scenario (SHTF)

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by Mang Danny, Sep 11, 2005.

  1. Mang Danny

    Mang Danny

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    We all have seen what happened to New Orleans thru the media about the govt's delay in helping the victims and the massive looting. If that happens in your locality, whats your idea to defend your family and property?
     
  2. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    I think we Filipinos ---especially Manileños--- have extensive experience with deadly-severe and prolonged flooding in the urban and suburban context. Hindi naman uso ang widespread looting and anarchy. Meron pa naman tayong bayanihan spirit.

    I'm sure you've seen how, without prompting, folks will start erecting makeshift little bridges across deep floodwaters for passersby; the old/infirm are carried via team effort. Not just during floods do we see this sort of thing: streetkids will act as traffic cops when the traffic lights go dead in a brownout. Maski meron silang hinihingi na tulong o bayad... meron kaagad effort, they don't wait around for government to send in the Marines.

    Minsan, yun pang mga may-kaya --the educated and wealthy-- ang walang modo at walang pakikisama. These 'elite' won't give way at jammed intersections. They won't lift a finger to help their neighbors, and go out of their way to impose on others, the spoiled crybabies.


    ***

    But to submit to your hypothesis... kunwari nga,
    somehow there is widespread anarchy.
    The defenses had best already be long in place:

    -very friendly and cooperative relations with neighbors;
    -very friendly and cooperative reltions with law enforcement;
    -security- and discretion-minded house design;
    -a well-trained dog;
    -a well-stocked larder/pantry;
    -last-ditch defensive weapons

    Weapons, even non-lethal ones, really are a last among last resorts, but again, if money and real estate allow it, the house has to be designed on the basis of easy defense, murder holes, gas chambers and chokepoints. Maski 30 pa ang bad guys and one pistol lang ang hawak ko, dapat ubos silang lahat bago kami maabot.

    :)
    h.
     


  3. Alexii

    Alexii Janeway Forever

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    Agree.

    You should see how the streetkids prevent monstrous traffic jams in big intersections such as E Rodriguez and Araneta Ave on dark, stormy nights when there's a power outage. I just toss out coins outside the window for them to collect later.

    I still believe widespread looting and anarchy is highly unlikely in the Philippine setting. First; as mentioned, the bayanihan spirit is still alive at may takot pa rin sa Diyos ang karamihan. Second; gun ownership is widespread here and everybody knows that. Looting is less fun for the looters when they know their heads could be blown off by a 12 gauge shottie. The May 1998 riots of Indonesia could've had a lesser death toll if citizens were allowed to keep and bear arms. Third; the average Filipino urban residence is generally fortified by high gates and walls. Looters should be too darned determined to breach these defenses. A condominium unit located way up the structure would be the toughest to defend when the lower floors are taken over by the looters.
     
  4. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    if we can avoid this scenario by early evacuation, that would be the best.

    however, if i wake up one morning in this scenario and my home, family, and property is threatened. then my apartment will be renamed "The Alamo" ;I

    but this scenario really gives me the creeps;P
     
  5. mikey177

    mikey177 Remember

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    horge,

    Kindly elaborate on how to implement "murder holes, gas chambers and chokepoints."

    I'm familiar with chokepoints, but this is the first time I've ever come across the other terms in relation to house fortification. Thanks.
     
  6. SMSTRICK

    SMSTRICK "WE THE PEOPLE"

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    Lock, load and hunker down.
     
  7. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Hi Mike :)

    A murder hole involves a small, concealed, sealable steel aperture
    through a ceiling or door, pointed down/out at chokepoints in the
    enemy's advance, just wide enough to accomodate the muzzle of
    a scattergun. If the target space is constricted enough, tear gas
    and capsaicin can also be deployed.

    Think: 6+ blasts of buckshot, followed by tear gas, then
    you reseal the port. Reload. Shoot again. If necessary, retreat
    to the next in a series of murder holes towards your last stand.

    Collapsing defense, baga.
    Your 'last stand' benefits from a hidden escape, comm. gear, and
    more weapons. I designed a few houses, and one jewelry store,
    with features/concepts like these in 1998 and again in 2003.

    This forum is too public to discuss some of the really nasty,
    concealed defenses I included in some old projects.


    :)
    horge
     
  8. mikey177

    mikey177 Remember

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    horge, you da man ^c

    I hope I get a chance to talk with you before I start building my family's house here in the province. We just bought a piece of land on installment from a bank, but we won't be able to build a new house on it until maybe 2007.

    Until then, I will continue to collect information on practical home fortifications to make my future house less looter and robber friendly.
     
  9. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    uy nabuhay si vino;c
     
  10. asintaderoche

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    To add salt to injury, a California Highway Patrol team wrestled an elderly woman who had a Gun to protect herself from this looters. Binagyo na sinalya pa;P dobol wabe si lola. That's the real STFH ,,;b
     
  11. PMMA97

    PMMA97 MNSAmessdetail

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    I saw that scene at CNN. Reports stated that the elder wielded a knife and a pistol. The CHiP guys had orders to forcibly evacuate residents but the next day this order was cancelled ;g Daming nag-uutos ng iba iba, ang resulta nasalya si lola kawawa naman...nangangamoy lawsuit ;f
     
  12. well, it only goes to prove one thing..."NOT ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINES".. hehehehe
     
  13. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Hi ya Vino,
    My PM inbox apparently didn't catch it.
    Any chance you clicked on SMSTRICK's PM button by mistake?

    -horge
     
  14. bulm540

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    It was an unfortunate incident in regards to the elderly woman but she displayed a gun in front of police officers, I think the response was justifiable.
     
  15. mikey177

    mikey177 Remember

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    horge,

    Please check to see if your inbox is full. I was also trying to PM you about two weeks ago (wala lang, just to make chika about Pisay) but the system said your inbox was full :)
     
  16. vino

    vino

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    I'll send you another PM just to be sure. Please check na rin if your inbox is full. Thanks.


    9MX,

    Pabrowse-browse lang muna ako for now, I've been trying to catch up on the threads at BOG.
     
  17. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    hehe, mikey, how much is your baon ba?;f
     
  18. vino

    vino

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    Horge,

    My PM bounced. Your inbox is full.