I personally own a pretty awesome benelli. my friend who has gone trap and sporting clays shooting with me for the past year and half or so has always rented shotguns, but is now looking to own. he does not want to spend much money, probably 700 or 800 max. pumps are out, and so I reckon his choices are either an over-under or a semi-auto. I have heard in the past that the 'inexpensive' (cheap?) over-unders are generally bad news, as they tend not to last very long as the action loosens. ditto with cheaper semi-autos, where reliability is generally not where it needs to be. however, maybe that has changed, and there are very viable budget options out there these days. after about 5 minutes of searching buds gun shop, I have come up with a possible list, though I know nothing about anything on it. has anyone heard anything about these guns? over-unders http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/407/products_id/12343 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/407/products_id/12332 this is supposedly made by Remington http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/484/products_id/14194 semiauto http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/20750 I don't even know what model this Remington is. the price seems like it would be too good to be true.. another cz-usa http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/11861 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/56981 seems like this would be promising. a beretta AL390 for $579???? http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/25000 another beretta http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/19922 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/17690 this is probably about as much as he's willing to spend. a gentleman at a range with a charles daly that when asked said it was a great gun. buds is sold out of all of them at the moment. I do realize his best option may be to buy a quality over-under like a browning citori or beretta used. If you think that, say so. the problem with being a gun snob is that one knows little about the budget end of things. enlighten me! Moderator: Moved, since Trap and Skeet are SO Tactical......put topics in the right place.