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Longshot for 9mm minor

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by njl, Oct 22, 2011.


  1. njl

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    I posted this over at BE, but have gotten no replies over there. Not happy with the velocity I can get with X-Treme 147gr and the powders I've been using (Universal Clays and WST), I decided to try another. Based on what's available locally, and the data from Hodgdon's data center, I decided to try Longshot...figuring I should easily be able to load them to around 950fps with room to spare. I haven't been able to find much in the way of other people using Longshot. I have seen a few favorable posts...but I just wonder if anyone here uses it?

    I'm guessing somewhere around 4.4gr might do.
     

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    Your just going to have to do it. Do you have a chrono. That is definitely not the powder most would use for a MINOR load. You only need 890 to comfortable make Minor with that weight bullet (130PF). At 950fps you will be at 140 PF. Nice load but definitely not a gamer/minor load.
     

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    I use Longshot in 40 S&W/10mm and have found it does not do well for mild loads in these calibers.
    Never used it in 9mm.
     
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    Responsible gamers load to 135-140PF, which is nearly guaranteed to make PF and is what factory ammunition is loaded to perform.

    Longshot is not a soft gamer powder. It has pronounced muzzle flash and being a slow burning powder it will have more recoil than faster powders with regard to sight tracking.

    Clays, WST, WSF, N320, TG are all gamer type powders for Minor 9.

    Longshot in the 9mm will do better with 115gr and 124gr bullets at top velocity than it will with 147gr bullets at low velocity. Longshot is a reformulation of HS7/W571. Think of it in those terms; a bit slower than HS6/W540.
     
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    I know nobody loading to 135-140 PF. It's just not needed to be safe and reliable. Over 130PF is where most people load.
     
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    I think LS is too slow for a good 925-930fps load, about all the cushion you should need for making PF. Most of the medium burners & a few faster burners make that easily. WST, W231, Unique, WSF, Universal, PP or HS6 is about as slow as I would want to go for that soft a load.
     
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    Most shooters on BE load to 135PF.
     
  8. Hoser

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    Thats because your not responsible...

    When I was pushing for GM, I shot at about a 180 pf. Wait, wrong gun. 130 pf was my goal.
     
  9. Hoser

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    Longshot is a poor choice for minor. Good for Major though.
     
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    Why? I bought it based on this:

    147 GR. HDY XTP Hodgdon Longshot .355" 1.100" 3.8 851 25,700 PSI 4.7 1004 33,800 PSI

    851 - 1004fps seemed like a good range and a powder that would be safe for loading 147gr to the mid 900's.

    I'm kind of struggling with the X-Treme 147gr bullets. Initially, I was happy with them over 3.4gr Universal, but then I had them tumbling out of my G34, and recently noticed they're not entirely consistently accurate out of my G17...which is what I shoot the most. I figured I'd try driving them faster, and Universal was already near or beyond max (depending on who's data you use), and I didn't want to push WST much further with no published data.
     
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    I know this does not address your particular bullet and powder, but A Montana Gold 147g over 3.2 of Tite Group (1.15OAL) makes 132 PF and is a VERY accurate and soft load. Many USPSA and IDPA shooters use this load.

    Not familiar with the XTP. Is the MG 147 similar? I would spring for some TG if you can and try it if the bullets are similar.
     
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    Because it's really slow for a Minor powder.

    Solo 1000 would work. TG would be better.
    Tumbling is likely a crimp issue.
     
  13. njl

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    I've already tried easing off on the crimp as much as possible. Perhaps plated bullets and I just aren't going to get along.
     
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    Are you chronoing them?
     
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    Is that a real word or are you just making it up?


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    I wonder if Chronoshooter is a word?
     
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    Longshot, or "Loudshot" as it is also known as, is not a good powder for minor loads. It is a slow enough powder that it will make major without having to really try unless you are shooting it out of a 3" barrel.

    I used it for a .40 load using a Precision 185 gr bullet. I was just shy of 165 PF at the minimum load, and made major .2 grains up from there. The recoil was a good bit stouter than my former powder Ramshot's True Blue. It would be a great choice for hunting loads though, it takes a lot to push it into max pressure territory so you can get a good high speed high PF load without blowing your gun up.

    My current powder is Clays. Much softer shooting, much quieter shooting, and I can still make major PF.
     
  19. njl

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    I have a chrony and always chrono new loads.

    Maybe I'll call and see what Bass Pro's return policy is on powder. I'm guessing even unopened, they don't want it back.
     
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    I get 1050 fps with 3.8 gr BE and a 124gr MG JHP, loaded to 1.145 COL. Nice, accurate round out of my G17(cheap too). I ripped up a steel challenge match with these yesterday. Recoil is less than any factory load i've shot.