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Lol. For The Birdshot Mafia:

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by ScrappyDoo, Nov 29, 2011.

  1. ScrappyDoo

    ScrappyDoo Tacticool brah!

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    http://trentonian.com/articles/2011/11/27/news/doc4ed2d59b473f5735416487.txt

    Tis was the cover of the Trentonian newspaper yesterday. A terribly sad story in actuality but in our firearms discussion and practical application theory , hysterical.

    The goods : 3 teenage boys survived close range blasts with 12ga birdshot. Not even unconsciousness or knocked down , they Literally demanded to be driven to the hospital rather than hang out for an Ambo. They were NOT EVEN SLOWED DOWN ENOUGH TO BE INCAPACITATED , having talked to some people in teh know ( ive never made it a secret to being a son of a somebody. ) they probably would and could have fought back if necessary but the bad guy bounced

    Th article quotes one cop as saying that he could count at least fourty pock marks on one guy and how the Injuries were grousome looking but the kids will probably be fine. Thy have confrmation the gunman walked up to the group and definitely fired four 12 ga. Blasts.

    I post this because its important to me as help for people : I have often tried to show science and how it applies to firearms especially birdshot vs buckshot etc also and how having been raised by a 34 year hi ranking fairly famous police veteran, stuff I've learned from growing up blue blood and breakfast dinner table discussion like what the police use on duty and in defense of THHEIR loved ones , - point being - there has been many posts that experts defend birdshot in home defense situations and ive tried among others have tried to explain and dissuade this from use and popularity

    This article definitely shows that innocent and regular Teenage boys arr not even dropped down by birdshot blasts ( plural- BLASTS- and do any of you think ON THE RARE GODFORBIDDEN EVENt you need to pull the trigger of a weapon in defense of the lives of your family you and your house- you will be able to fire FOUR BLASTS from your shotgun?!) not even knocked down. NOW imagine it is a hardened criminal , grown man possibly on drugs possibly IN WITHDRAWAL from drugs - hardened grown men of various mental states and with various states of sobriety and or chemical intoxication/impairment/enhancement. That right there is coming to kill your wife and or children before it kills you , so the last thing you see before your property is taken because you have just been killed- now ask yourself:

    Is birdshot really what you want defending your family?
     
  2. Tippyman

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    Hell no.

    Next to central nervous system failure, dropping an attackers blood pressure to zero is the most effective way to stop him.
     


  3. K.Kiser

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    I don't want to use a true light bird shot, but I'm guessing they prolly got shot at an extended range... "Some were hit 40 times", that's some bad shooting or far enough away for a really wide spread...
     
  4. Tippyman

    Tippyman

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    Why would you want to use ANY bird shot. It's literally made for birds.
     
  5. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    There are almost 400 pellets in a typical 7.5 shot field load. For only 10% of those pellets to hit, the shooter was at farther than home defense distances.
     
  6. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    And it's still not going to penetrate deep enough, even at home defense distances.
     
  7. Hokie

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    Is my family in a Hitchcock move?
     
  8. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    Hey, I use buck shot in my guns. I'm just saying that the example in the article only proves that bird shot is a poor stopper is you are a Trenton gangster firing away at long range with a shotgun.
     
  9. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    :supergrin:
     
  10. Tippyman

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    [​IMG]

    Until then... I'll stick with buckshot, lol.:supergrin:
     
  11. PrecisionRifleman

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    Any experienced hunter knows that the fastest way to stop an animal be it four legged or 2 in it's tracks is a bullet to the head or to the spine. Heart and lung shots work, but you get the "running/walking" dead thing going on. So boys and girls PENETRATION is important. Put some damn buckshot in your gauge and call it a day. FML...
     
  12. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    :rofl:
     
  13. ScrappyDoo

    ScrappyDoo Tacticool brah!

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    It was fairly close range it wasnt long distance. I got that info but other than thatyeah I wasn't there I can't give specifics.


    Still cannot comprehend why anyone even remotely fathoms birdshot over buck but some people still subscribe to the " acts as a mass before it opens up " etc. What can you do, people only know what they only know.
     
  14. WoodenPlank

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    When it comes to the criminal elements, I think it's more a matter of it being cheap and easy to acquire, not because they thing there is an advantage.
     
  15. ScrappyDoo

    ScrappyDoo Tacticool brah!

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    Oh yes sir I certainly agree. I did not mean to suggest the criminal chose birdshot or Even knows the difference. Simply posted to try to help any readers out there make the right decision. Thats all.
     
  16. WiskyT

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    Even with a cylinder bore, it would have to be tens of yards away for 10% of the pattern to be on a target that big. Instead of saying things like "fairly close range" why don't you just look in the report and tell use where the empty shells were found in relation to the people struck?
     
  17. post-apocalyptic

    post-apocalyptic magnifi ba$tard

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  18. triggerjerk

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    Birdshot to the face courtesy of fmr vp Cheney.
    [​IMG]
     
  19. cj5mrt

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    Maybe the other 90% didn't penetrate their clothing and only hit exposed skin.
     
  20. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    Maybe, but check out the video at 4:00. At thirty feet, the birdshot penetrates two layers of sheetrock and a water jug. And going by the shots in the begining of the video, at 30 feet, the vast majority of the shot pattern will print on a man-sized target. So the idea of 90% of the pattern bouncing off clothing just doesn't wash.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXz_Aftj8rE
     
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2011