Hey guyz didn't want to hijack a thread. Been a while since I've posted, kinda been through some hard times in the last few months. Wow the red blue thing is getting down to inches of hand movement? Hate it that the LNL didn't work out for you Steve. (You guyz do know Steve has sent at least one of everything Midway sales back for exchange or refund, oh and three ACME 150 lb anvils in the last 6 months!) Just kidding Steve I've saw the case tipping thing solved simply by getting the Vee bock down closer to the rim of the case. Removing a little material from the Vee block with a file put the contact area of the Vee block closer to the rim of the case and stopped the tipping for someone that was having the same problem. I reload for two Glocks and haven't had that problem, mine are 40 cal though? Maybe you tried that I don't know ? When loading with the case feeder I really never completely stop the press handle, I place the bullet as the Ram is starting up and has already indexed so theres no bullet tipping. As the ram is finishing the up stroke I grab the next bullet and have it waiting until the ram go's down and starts up again. You can get a flow going where the ram hardly stops after some practice. I'll have to say I kinda do miss the Red and Blue debate,, Boxer believe it or not I'm holding my dog back in this one, you guyz are debating movement in inches, lbs and Oz's of pressure and calories burnt and I'm not ready for that yet. Anyway good to see the same crew still posting, well and Jack too I suppose? Bob Wanna kill these ads? We can help!