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Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by pbs357, May 28, 2011.

  1. pbs357


    Jan 10, 2010
    SW PA
    I know, no comparison. That's what I gather from the research I've done on the boards, but I can't find negative info/reviews on the DSA uppers, or specific reasons why it couldn't/should't be trusted for HD, etc. The DSA uppers seem to get referred to as good for the range, etc while the LMTs are regarded as "fit for defense/duty." So in the 16" offerings, what would be the reason(s) an LMT upper would be worth $200 more?

    This info is for my 2nd AR, but would be my first build. My first is an old BM AK/A2, which is a middy 14.5 + AK74 brake. She's 2000+rds of mostly steel cased ammo without failure, but I want to build something with a red dot style optic.


    Bonus question: here's my gameplan so far - feel free to let me know your thoughts; am I on the right track?
    $485 LMT 16" 1:7 upper
    $130 LMT Bolt/BCG (or Spikes Bolt/BCG for $110)
    $50 Magpul MBUS - version2
    ??? Lower
    ??? Aimpoint or Eotech
  2. BBJones


    Mar 2, 2010
    LMT is worth far more than $200 more than a DSA upper. LMT tests every part they sell and they are built to last.

    Your plan is good but since you are getting a 16" why not get a mid-length gas system? LMT does not offer them but BCM and DD (to name a couple) do.

  3. K. Foster

    K. Foster

    Feb 19, 2002
    I don’t have any experience with DSA but I have read some negative things about their products and service on forums. You might try for more info.
    I have a LMT Defender as well as other AR’s. Mine has been trouble free and I think very highly of their products. LMT conforms to all the mil spec requirements: barrel steel, HP, MPI. Everything except parkerizing under the front sight, which I consider to be minor. In a nut-shell, I consider them to be cheaper Colts. Would I pay $200 more for LMT? Yes!
    Bonus Q: that sounds like a great start. Spikes or Stag lowers are good quality, usually readily available if you want something cheaper than LMT. On optics, that’s a subject in itself but you’d be fine with either.
  4. thisaway

    thisaway Moderator

    Jan 11, 2000
    Soddy Daisy, Tenn.
    I have an LMT Defender 2000 w/14.5-inch barrel. As would be expected, it works very well for me. I also have a DSA upper (16-inch 1-9 barrel) with an Adams Arms piston retrofit kit on a CMMG lower. It also works very well for me.

    If I were in a life-or-death situation, I would grab the LMT---its standard of quality offers me peace of mind for emergency use. But my DSA piston jobber is just fine for the practice or competition range.
  5. micdude


    Apr 5, 2006
    Go with this not saying LMT is not top tear and bad ass but they don't have mid-length stuff DD and BCM bolth do and are also top tear.

    I would do Spikes,Areo Precision,BCM blem or a PSA lower all good.
    Aimpoint all the way get the Aimpoint pro 2moa 400.00 w/mount
  6. mvician

    mvician Lifetime Member

    Jun 8, 2007
    NW Indiana
    There isn't anything wrong with a carbine length gas system.
    Run a M16 BCG and a H or heavier buffer.

    To the OP.........

    Buy the LMT upper. Then buy a LMT lower. :supergrin:
    Then put an AimPoint on it.
    Last edited: May 29, 2011
  7. BBJones


    Mar 2, 2010
    There is certainly nothing wrong with a carbine gas system, but since he is geting a 16" a mid-length would be my choice. Carbine would be my choice if 14.5" or 12.5"
  8. mjkeat


    Jun 17, 2009
    Last edited: May 29, 2011
  9. JK-linux


    Mar 5, 2009
    Goos parts list from what the interwebs say. I haven't used any of them other than the sights.

    Unsolicited advice: build the lower yourself, if you haven't done one before. Invaluable learning experience and far easier to do than most will let on.
  10. Phelptwan


    Jul 6, 2007
    I have a 16" DSA and a 16" MRP. The DSA is more accurate...

    I still think the LMT is a much better rifle, and has never malfunctioned in several thousand rounds (DSA has stovepiped).
  11. humanguerrilla


    Jul 25, 2006
    the woods
    My DSA zm4 upper has been problem free and shoots well. I'm glad I got a good one and have read some horror stories at arfcom and on other forums. Read that they don't do m4 feedramps anymore. Several budget uppers I'd go with first now instead though.
  12. Durden


    Oct 5, 2010
    I have a LMT 16" Carbine and a BCM (recent addition) middie, and I have no complaints about either, whatsoever.

    I also think the Carbine vs. Mid thing is way overplayed.

    Just my .02
  13. GeorgiaGlockMan

    GeorgiaGlockMan Aggie in Exile.

    Nov 18, 2003
    Bad-Lands Ranch
    I have an LMT MPR upper on a DSA lower.

    It's my favorite rifle!

    Several of my DSA lowers look better and have a better fit than my other ARs (BM, RRA, AL, Grizzly, Stag, etc).
  14. RMTactical

    RMTactical CLM

    Oct 7, 2000
    Behind an AR-15
    There aren't nearly as many dsa uppers out there compared to lmt. You get a much better idea of what to expect with lmt.
  15. agtman

    agtman 10mm Spartiate

    Feb 28, 2001
    Agree on the LMT MRP, although it wasn't clear that that's what the OP was specifying as to his LMT choice.

    MRP (old pic)