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Little Crow Worlds Finest Trimmer

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by glockrod, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. glockrod

    glockrod NRA-Endow. Life

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    Good?
    Bad?
    Worth $70

    I have to find something to trim a several thousand of .223 brass. My manual RCBS trimmer just aint gonna do it fast enough or without an arm transplant!:rofl:

    I have thought about setting up my RCBS 3way cutter on my drill press and set the press for height to trim, but I like the idea of this little crow trimmer trimming on the headspace after the brass is sized.

    Any other ideas?
     
  2. unclebob

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    Other than the Dillon. That would be what I would use.
     


  3. EL_NinO619

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    Dillon RT 1200. I used to use a drill press setup, it was quick, but the RT 1200 is fast.


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  4. glockrod

    glockrod NRA-Endow. Life

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    Yes, the Dillon may be good, but the price is a turn off. I am a Toyota driving kind of person, not Ferrarri(ok, maybe that is too xtreme of an example). I can handle a little more time invested more than I can handle 3.5 times the price.

    Is the Little Crow any good? Are there any inherent problems? Is it reliable? I know it is slower than the Dillon, but will it do as good of a job?

    I really dont want another mounted tool to have to keep up with.
     
  5. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Buddy of mine just got one for .223. It was fast! Right out of the box, it was trimming all of them either 1.753" or 1.754".

    Aside from the fact that it's caliber specific, it's a pretty slick deal. Wear eye protection. :cool:
     
  6. Zyzogg

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    I really like Lee trimers. Simple, cheap and pretty quick on a hand drill.
     
  7. Colorado4Wheel

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    So I guess it indexes off the shoulder of the case. So you have to size everything, then trim. Dillon sizes and trims at the same time. So you save a step. Do I have that right?
     
  8. Boxerglocker

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    The biggest turn of to me about using anything other than the Dillon is having to handle each and every case.
    That said, I recommended that a friend get a WFT in .308 and after trying it out must say it works awesome. They call it the poor mans Giraud. I shoot/load way to much .223 to go that way but would go that route for .308 in 100 case batches myself.
     
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  9. glockrod

    glockrod NRA-Endow. Life

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    Does the case still require in/outside chamfering after trimmed by the wft?
     
  10. Colorado4Wheel

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    Redding has a new attachment for their trimmer that trims, deburs and camfers all at the same time. Their setup can be powered by as drill as well.

    Neither the Dillon or the WFT do that. Most bulk reloaded don't cancer with those machines.
     
  11. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    Nope cuts very clean with a slight chamfer and debur.
     
  12. shotgunred

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    That is my issue. I need more stuff than I have money. I would like the Dillon but I also need a star luber sizer. With the WFT I would have more left over for the star.
     
  13. shotgunred

    shotgunred local trouble maker

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    The CRB in me talked me into buying one of these instead of the Dillon. Big mistake!
    If you only have one type of brass or if you sort and then cut each type separately it may work. But it just doesn't work for mixed brass. with the 223 I am getting between 1.734 and 1.769 OAL.
    Yes I deprimed and sized them all first. But the differences between manufacture tolerances is keeping me from getting acceptable OAL for the processed brass.

    I guess I will see if their 30 day money back guaranty is any better than their cutter.
     
  14. EL_NinO619

    EL_NinO619 EX-Swage Monkey

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    RT is the ONLY option for processing. For precision there are others but for a reliable OAL and high production, no one beats the RT 1200
     
  15. Drgslayr

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    Colorado4Wheel,
    Can you give us more info on this attachment? I can't find it.

    I have a redding cutting powered by a drill but I still have to hand camfer and deburr.

    Thanks
     
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  16. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    I never cancer my brass, Stevie. I can never tell if you're drunk or posting from your phone.
     
  17. Colorado4Wheel

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    Made a mistake. It a Forster 3-1 Case Mouth Cutter.
     
  18. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

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    Phone. Auto Correct.
     
  19. Boxerglocker

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    Sorting by headstamp will make a difference, the WTF measures of the sized shoulder, with sorted brass on .308 my buddy is getting 0.001 +/-
    The RT1200 is a better option (and faster) for mixed brass. You can sort if you wish too or not. I sort only for batches of heavy bullet loads for my AR. There will be 400-600 flashers at PNW Mulitigun this year.
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2013
  20. F106 Fan

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    I haven't used this type of trimmer but I am curious... Not so much about the WFT but about the overall process and why it varies.

    Since the WFT indexes off the shoulder, and assuming there are no loose pieces (some mechanical problem) inside the cutter, it would seem to me that the distance from some place on the shoulder to the case mouth would come out exact after trimming.

    But, if the shoulder isn't always in the same place, OAL would vary even if the shoulder to case mouth distance was exact. I just can't figure out why the shoulder would be different depending on brass manufacturer after it has been resized. Unless, of course, the shoulder was already too far back and the resizing die didn't bump it at all.

    I suppose there could be a difference in 'spring back' between various manufacturers. The die pushes the shoulder back but after the die is removed, the shoulder springs back a little. But 0.035" seems like a lot.

    I think I would be using a case gauge to see how the shoulder location varies among cases after resizing but before trimming and then again after trimming to see how the OAL is varying.

    There's something odd when a mechanical process has that much variation.

    Richard