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Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by sawgrass, Aug 16, 2012.


  1. sawgrass

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    I think the first gun post I ever made was here asking the age old which 1911? That was several 1911's ago. The biggest thing that I remember was that Bac was one of the few who listened when I admitted that I'm a 5'2" female who wanted a 1911. Most of the guys offered some other type of gun.

    I've bought and sold a few have several and love them all. The problem is that every time I upgrade as my checking acct. will allow I'm able to discern the differences.

    These days I think steak is a good analogy. Sirloin tastes ok as long as you avoid the cowboy ribeye.

    Until yesterday I loved my Colt Defender. So my question is: Is it the same with compact 1911's? The Defender is the only one that I have ever shot. How does it compare to a Stinger or a Dan Wesson compact?
     

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  2. bac1023

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    Rhonda, the newer subcompact 1911s are definitely an improvement over the old standard.

    While I'm not a huge fan of small 1911s, they have improved drasically during the last 5 to 10 years.
     

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    I never tried the Colt Defender, I have a Kimber Ultra CDPII that I like a lot. I briefly had an RIA 1911cs but traded it for an FNP 40. The only thing I didn't like on my Ultra CDPII was the plastic MSH so I changed it out for a stainless checkered S&A flat MSH.
     
  4. sawgrass

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    I'm just not tall enough to carry a full size 1911.
    I look like someone in a three legged race.

    I tried the P238 route and found that if I have to dress to conceal it, I can conceal a G26 with the same clothing.
    I didn't keep the P238.

    The Defender falls into about the same category. I'm not fairly assessing the Defender because I'm comparing it to my current favorite full size 1911's.

    I would like to pick up a compact for carry as a 1911 fits my hand and I shoot them well. I just don't know which one and I don't know if they range in quality like full size 1911's. I bought the Defender at a little shop for CHEAP
    so it's a keeper. I simply don't want to make a $1500 or more mistake.
     
  5. ca survivor

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    there is the Commander size 41/4", and a few good 4" models, now days I'm looking at the Sig C3
     
  6. limbkiller

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    Find a good deal on a RIA. They run great and if you don't like smaller 1911s you can sell it quick without much or any loss of funds. If you do like them you can still sell it and upgrade.
     
  7. bac1023

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    I love commanders, but they aren't that much easier to conceal than a Governement model. The grip is still the same size and that's usually the tougest thing to conceal.
     
  8. CDR_Glock

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    I conceal a Commander length 1911 by IWB. I used a Shielded Holsters Phalanx. It's the smallest 1911 size I'd trust. I'm more accurate at longer distances with it than my full sized 1911; which seems odd.

    I own a Detonics CombatMaster V but it has no advantage in reliability, handling or concealment over a Glock 36.

    I've tried my friend's Colt Defender. They're excellent for how they feel. It was quite accurate for the size and it did not misfeed when I shot it. My friend ended up selling his because of reliability issues. I'm guessing he was limp wristing. I didn't have the extra money at the time since I just moved. Otherwise, it'd be in my safe.
     
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  9. ca survivor

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    agree with you Bac, but the OP is a female and they have hips ...:rofl:
     
  10. FLSlim

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    Be sure to look at the 'tweeners; CCO sized 1911. They are a nice compromise with the shorter grip and Commander barrel. I have a LW version and it is a dream to carry. Various dealers offer them, e.g., Colt (Talo), STI, and DW among others. Happy hunting!
     
  11. countrygun

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    All I can rationally say is that a TINY little 1911 keeps handing me platesfull of crow on a regular basis.

    For years I carried a Kimbe Compact and, In my mind at least, that WAS as small as you could go with the 1911 if you wanted anything more than an unreliable novelty.

    Well SWMBO (the wife) wanted "her own" Kimber and without a "by your leave" bought an Ultra Raptor II CS. I howled like an animal in a trap, I was just short of..well..."ballistic" (pardon the pun). Now, 18 months later, she regulary hands me a plate of crow because it just keeps on shooting, and darned accurately to boot.

    I still think there is some kind of "black magic" involved.I haven't found any signs of animal sacrifices but we did get a bill for a couple dozen black candles not long ago.
     
  12. rich52us

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    So what happened yesterday to change your mind about the Defender? I don't think youll find another 3" .45 1911 that shoots significantly better, unless you go heavier. Then the weight may be an issue for carry.

    If you want to go 9MM or .40 cal, the Springfield EMP is a great carry piece.
     
  13. sawgrass

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    I don't want a 9. I carry a Glock or a Beretta for that.
    I don't want a .40 because I don't want to add a caliber
    to my collection. I also don't love two tone guns.

    So I went to the range. I warmed up with a .22. I shot a Springfield Loaded 9mm. Then I shot a Kimber Eclipse 1911 .45, then I shot a Les Baer SRP .45, without any issues. Then I shot the Defender. I kept it on the paper, but barely. It was throwing brass all over the place too. It was hitting me in the head, the face to the left to the right all over! I suppose I will try a new recoil spring and see if that helps. I thought damn, maybe it's me. So I shot the two Govt. 1911's again and they held the groups that I expected. :dunno:ETA: all shooting was at 10yds.

    I haven't shot the Defender in a while but with Fall approaching I can conceal more gun.
     
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    I understand about the caliber choices. I also never bought into .40

    You sound like a very experienced shooter. However, I find if I don't really have a tight grip on the Defender, I get the erratic brass ejection.
     
  15. Jim S.

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    I've found that erratic ejection can be caused by an out of adjustment extractor.
    I would not suspect the recoil spring unless it is not feeding properly along with the ejection problems.
    I'm not familiar with the Defender but I once had an Officer's ACP and it was very concealable and it worked perfectly, only I was not as accurate with it compared to a full size.
    I sold it to a friend who was more accurate with it than I thought the gun was capable of.
     
  16. sawgrass

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    I didn't have any problems with the govt. size. I don't think that I was limp wristing. I'm going to shoot it tomorrow FIRST and see what happens.

    Hey you and your scary avatar.:whistling: Long time no speak.:cool:
    I don't know what happened. How do I check the extractor?

    I did hold an ECO(?) and a few Kimbers today. I couldn't for the life of me figure out the differences in a $700 Kimber and a $1595 Kimber. It pissed me off a little. Too many similar guns just like the Sig P238.
    Can you tell me how to check the extractor adjustment?
     
  17. Jim S.

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    I would recommend that you Google it, there are some very good articles and videos that would explain it better than I could.
    (too involved for a quick reply)
    :wavey:
     
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  18. glock2740

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    The CCO is a great and reliable format for a good CC 1911. :cool:
     
  19. Shark1007

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    I really like the Colt New Agent crimson trace. It's on the way back from Colt Custom Shop with bigger beavertail, better thumb safety, throat and trigger job for $205.00

    It feeds reliabily and is light weight. It may be the perfect carry gun, but so may be my PM45 or XDS or C3 or something else.
     
  20. PlasticGuy

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    1) Yes, spending more money on a compact 1911 will generally get you a better gun. The Kimber is a terrible example though. There is little difference in fit and function between their basic and top end guns. The Les Baer Stinger was mentioned, and it is an exceptional handgun.

    2) My recommendation is to pass on the smallest 1911's, and split the difference with a CCO sized gun. That combines the smaller grip of the Officer's Model, with the slightly longer slide of the Commander. This gives you more concealability than the Commander, and more reliability and accuracy than the Officer. Best of both, in my opinion. I like my Colt CCO, love my Les Baer Stinger, and have been very impressed with a friend's Dan Wesson CCO. You do get your money's worth with all three.
     
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