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Lighter weight SS barrel that is accurate??

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by HAIL CAESAR, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. HAIL CAESAR

    HAIL CAESAR Senior Member

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    I am building a new rifle to tote around the fields and shoot coyotes. I have heavy rifles that shoot very sub-MOA, and I have light rifles that shoot 1.7's or so. I am looking for a 18 (or 16 inch) barrel that us not a "heavy" that will shoot sub MOA.

    So far I have narrowed it down to this one.

    http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2902

    Any one have experience with Rainier barrels or any other good suggestions?

    Thanks for your time,
    Al
     
  2. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    No first hand experience, but I have heard many good things about Ranier barrels.
    That barrel is very close to the 16" Bison Armory 6.8 SPC barrel I have.
    It ballances very well, I would prefer a 18" over a 16 in .223/5.56
     


  3. HAIL CAESAR

    HAIL CAESAR Senior Member

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    I am really leaning for a 18, but the 16 would be lighter and stiffer (more theoretical than actual).
     
  4. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Very true,.......but you would lose a little velocity with the 16"
     
  5. Ljunatic

    Ljunatic On The Fringe

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    Back when I was looking for a similar upper, I had Adco Firearms cut a 20" down and reprofile it to govt. so it would be light enough to hump around with a bipod in place.

    At the time it was a rather odd combo of 18" barrel on a M4 type lower, and the barrel choices we have now were just beginning to show up.

    When (if) i need to rebarrel this upper I will most likely go the way your thinking with another 18" but in SS and in the SPR profile mold
     
  6. steve1911

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    I have a rainier ultramatch that is sub MOA, in 16 bbl. it is very accurate with 75gr hornady match, and 77gr.OTM rounds.

    Barrel you linked, i installed one on a friends rifle and it is nice shooter he has RDS on his rifle, no scope so around 2 1/2 to 3 MOA with mil spec trigger, with a better trigger and glass i'm sure it would cut it in half. hope this helps.



    1911club#410
     
  7. surf

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    You don't mention price so.....Noveske 16" lightweight SS barrel. Sub MOA, 29 oz. Or if you feel you need an 18" barrel the Noveske light SS is 32oz. Personally I don't see the advantage of the 18" over the 16" for coyote hunting ranges in 5.56.

    The WOA, Shilen, FN make great barrels also, just to name a few.
     
  8. 1time

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    I am happy with my JP 18" light weight barrel. After a 30 round mag dump I shot 3 back to back .75 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards and a 1.25 inch group at 200 yards. I was using a Millet 1-4 power scope.
     
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  9. HAIL CAESAR

    HAIL CAESAR Senior Member

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    Thanks everyone for their thoughts and experience.

    I really don't feel like spending 5 bills on a barrel to shoot coyotes. I can buy a bolt gun used that will eat a AR alive for 5 bills.

    I am really thinking the same way about a 16 inch barrel as you. You pay more for an 18 and all you really get is more weight. The velocity won't make that much difference out to normal shooting ranges. If I need to shoot further I got a 25-06 with a 26 inch barrel...I just wanted short and light with this gun.

    Hell, I'd just buy a used light Savage bolt gun and use it but I like the AR so much. It gives me another reason to build one. I know....it's stupid.:embarassed:
     
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  10. HAIL CAESAR

    HAIL CAESAR Senior Member

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    I am really looking at the RUM barrel that you have. What kind of numbers are you getting?

    AL
     
  11. steve1911

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    77gr. 1/2in. the 75gr. run around 3/4 to inch. I only have about 550 rds. thru this bbl. the more i use it the more i like it.

    I'm sure you would be pleased with the RUM BBL.


    1911club#410
     
  12. BBJones

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    I have heard nothing but great things about the RUM barrels, but to OP do you consider that to be LW? Looks pretty beefy to me. If I got one of those, I would turn it down for a LW precision build.

    One advantage of an 18" is you can go with a rifle length gas system. If if was me, 16" middy but put an A5 buffer/tube and save the weight and length up front.
     
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  13. HAIL CAESAR

    HAIL CAESAR Senior Member

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    Thank you very much. I keep hearing good things about these barrels but I ALWAYS like reports with numbers.

    It is not a true LW, but to me it would be a LW or a lighter weight option. Especially if you compare it to a true varmint or national match barrel.
    I am really leaning toward a 16 mid also.

    Do you have any experience with these barrels?
     
  14. Clint-M

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    I'm waiting on the 14.5" match barrel to come back in stock from Rainier right now. For their price, sub-MOA guarantee, and 90-day money back I couldn't find a better deal. If I grow too impatient I'll probably look into a WOA instead. Both come in under $300 and are more than capable or out-shooting me.

    FWIW, I looked in JP and Noveske but their prices are huge turn-offs when you are really only going to see minimal if any difference.

    CM
     
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  15. Singlestack Wonder

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    With the BCM, yes. 18" BCM Mk12 Upper. .5 to .75 moa with 77 grain is the norm.
     
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  16. surf

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    Well heck you didn't say anything about price in your original post. You just said lightweight SS that would shoot sub MOA and Noveske makes a true lightweight profile SS barrel.

    Another option that fits what you are asking for is Wilson Combat who also uses Wilson blanks. WOA, Rainier and Wilson Combat source from Wilson barrels. Wilson Combat has a lightweight profile SS barrel. It is a bit more than the Rainier barrel, but not much.

    http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Match-G...-8-Twist-Stainless/productinfo/TR-556LW16-18/
     
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  17. HAIL CAESAR

    HAIL CAESAR Senior Member

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    Surf, I saw the WC barrels but they are all 5.56 chambers. I wonder how they shoot.

    Al
     
  18. Singlestack Wonder

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    For the best accuracy, I recommend the USMC SAM-R or Wylde chamber.

    A standard 5.56 chamber allows for reliable feeding while taking a little away from accuracy. For an SPR rifle (if that is truely the purpose), high volumes of fire (i.e. carbine class with 800-1500 rounds in a day) is not what it is meant for. It's designed for extreme accuracy.

    Bravo Company's SPR MK12 uppers (and 18" SPR barrels) are proven systems for the SPR role.

    Another quality option is the LaRue Stealth Upper (LaRue doesn't sell barrels).
    LW50 stainless steel with a Wylde chamber.
     
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  19. Eurodriver

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    Have shot out accurately (2 MOA) out to 400 yards and its lighter than any LW profile 16" barreled AR15. It will shot sub MOA out to 200 yards, probably 400 if I had a better optic.

    Taking it to 600 yards in a few weeks. I'll be sure to post follow ups.