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Liberals, and so called "others" say they hate...

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by countrygun, Jun 20, 2012.

  1. countrygun

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    ....Sean Hannity but I think a lot of them must read his work. Oddly I am not a fan of the gentleman but this might change. I had never seen his book "Conservative Victory" until i ran across it at a used bookstore yesterday. Imagine my surprise when I found the following in the introduction. I have highlited parts that appear to have been taken to heart by some nefarious Obama fans'

    I have held much the same opinion as Hannity without being aware of his position. Oddly he wrote that book at the end of Obama's first year in office.

     

    Sean Hannity

    "Conservative Victory" 2010.

    ppg 7-8

    "Take for example, the talk of starting a third party.

    It's an understandable impulse: Conservative Americans have been frustrated for years by the Republican establishment's inability to get the economy-and Washington-moving in the right direction.

    But if all this anger should result in the formation of a third party, the conservative vote could splinter so badly that the White House ends up being delivered back to Obama, however unpopular he has become and however clearly his policies have failed. Yes, the leadership of the Republican Party has often been diasappointing- spending too much when in power, and failing to oppose Democrats effectively when out of power. But we all agree than any Republican leadership is vastly superior to the disastrous Democratic policies we've seen in just the first year of Obama's presidency. The differences between the parties are differences in kind, not just degree. And, while the GOP needs to improve it's performance, we cannot lose sight of the first priority-to direct the party back to it's conservative roots.

    We cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

    This is not to say we'll compromise our principles. We are conservatives; we know what we stand for; and we all realize that the fate of our nation hangs in the balance. But it is to say that our best chance to impliment policies that are consistant with our principles is to revitalize the Republican Party. To break off into a third party would fracture the conservative movement, leading to years of infighting about policy. It would force millions of Americans to decide whether to stay with the party that historically shared their principles, or to abandon it for an organization who's future would be uncertain at best. And it would guarantee Obama reelection."

    It strikes me as altogether reasonable to think that the folks who want to see Obama reelected have remembered the number two rule of winning an election ( Number one being "get votes") "take votes away from a viable opponent". I

    If one carefully examines the Ron Paul camp and dissects their arguments it should be glaringly obvious that there is a huge difference in the value system of the "Paulite movemnt" and traditional American Conservatism. The Paulites decry the values of Conservative America and rail at the choice delivered by the Primary process but what do they offer as an alternative? Not another conservative, perhaps more conservative than Romney, no, they claim the only alternative to Romney is abandoning the values of conservatism-"throw the principles out with the candidate-reject Romney AND conservative values in one fell swoop."

    It is obvious to see that the "Libertarians/Paulites and their ilk put forth monolouges designed to make conservatives defend or doubt conservative values. Isn't that strangely like the job of the Democrats? Seems to me there is more overlap between the Democrats and the Paulites than there is between the Paulites and conservative Republicans and it seems like, by dividing the conservative vote they would be doing the job of liberals and not conservatives.

    As it sits today the Paulite movement has crippled itself but don't be surprised if it makes a swift recovery, shored up by the publicity it gets for it's threatened circus, in time to try and influence the General Election.

     

     
     
  2. The Machinist

    The Machinist No Compromise

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    You really shouldn't be losing so much sleep over Ron Paul. Believe me, I don't lose a minute's sleep over Mittens.
     


  3. countrygun

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    If it doesn't bother you too much, I will continue to worry about my Country.
     
  4. The Machinist

    The Machinist No Compromise

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    You'll worry about it, but you wouldn't dare vote for anyone with the sack to actually try and fix it.
     
  5. Ruble Noon

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    I don't believe it. If you were truly worried about your country you wouldn't be supporting a gun banning socialized medicine liberal progressive that longed to be in Vietnam.
     
  6. hogfish

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  7. G29Reload

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  8. countrygun

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    As opposed to keeping in office the man who knew about "Fast & Furious", which wasn't at all designed to track Mexican drug runners, but to give the American gun industry and buyers a black eye?

    You want to talk about "socialized medicine" when it is clear that anything but a vote for Romney puts Obama back in office?

    You want to talk about a "liberal progressive" when anything but a vote for Romney puts Obama back in office?

    I don't know for sure how Romney will act concerning guns, but I am sure how Obama and his minions have acted. Not even through legislation but through and underhanded scheme that got a US LEO killed. Romney has to be better than that.

    There ARE other issues in case you didn't notice, (or in case you are just trying to scare folks on a gun forum) and Obama comes up well short on them an Ron Paul isn't far behind him.

    Voting for anybody but Romney will put Obama in the White House and that is obvious. Another four-years of that and worrying about a gun control issue will be like worrying about scratched paint on the Titanic.

    ron Paul is nothing more than a shill to divide the conservative vote and put Obama back in office. either you are being used or you are one of the users in the scheme if you are still beating that broken drum.
     
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  9. GAFinch

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    I've never understood how Paulites can call themselves conservative but almost universally hate Hannity.
     
  10. countrygun

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    Maybe because his book predicted the Paulite attempt to split up conservatives?

    Follow the bouncing ball.

    "We are conservatives too. We want Obama out."

    'We have a candidate that we call conservative, you can too if you let go of your conservative principles because we are redefining the term to fit our candidate"

    "You don't like our candidate and our new definition of "conservatism"? well phooey on you, we'll just put Obama back in".

    And they really think they are fooling people.

    Pretty much what Hannity predicted a third party would accomplish. No wonder they hate him.
     
  11. The Machinist

    The Machinist No Compromise

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    Wow. You're going to willingly roll over for a New England liberal stooge, and then lecture the rest of us on conservative principles? You're no conservative at all. You're a fraud. You pitched your principles right out the window when you sided with the gun-banning creator of obamacare. Voting for liberals makes you no better than them.
     
  12. Ruble Noon

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    I believe you are talking about Romney and his supporters.
     
  13. G29Reload

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    The only thing that matters right now is FIRING OBAMA.

    Otherwise, the country puts the imprimatur of approval on his actions, and it will only get worse.

    There is only one way to fire Obama since no one has the guts to impeach him.
     
  14. Stubudd

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    guy is running away with the record for most nonsense posted in the least amount of time

    hannity was telling the tea party to get back in line for 2010 and be proper little sheep for the establishment and stop all this nonsense about trying to make republicans actually be real conservatives, not "predicting paulites splitting the vote" or whatever nonsense you're rambling

    you don't have any real principles or you'd be much more worried about a lying liberal being your nominee than what any paulites are doing

    that part about rejecting romney and his conservative values was hilarious
     
  15. countrygun

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    Don't worry your lead is safe. I apparently am much more distracted with posting in the gun forums here rather than just worrying about the PI section. with yor single minded determination I don't think I have a chance of catching up in that department. You win.
     
  16. Fed Five Oh

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    But a ronulan voting for 0bama is great American?
     
  17. The Machinist

    The Machinist No Compromise

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    Not in my book. And I'm not voting for Obama. I have never, and will never vote for anyone who thinks liberty is just a bargaining chip.
     
  18. G19G20

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    Really? You must have missed the whole "non-intervention" part of the Paul platform. A part which is of great importance to us. Hannity is the exact opposite and calls for intervention and war whenever he gets the chance. Why would we like someone that we are diametrically opposed to on one of our biggest policy planks?

    Here's another reason:


    Nice doublespeak!

    Umm yeah Sean, that's exactly what you're doing when you "settle" for a candidate, particularly one with the weakest conservative credentials of any Republican candidate in recent history.

    The OPs rant is pretty funny though since Paulites are standing up for traditional conservatism. Small gov't, liberty, following the constitution, low taxes, low spending, non-intervention, and state's rights. What's not conservative about those goals?
     
  19. janice6

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    My friend manages PAC funds for an organization he used to work for. He is a staunch DEM.

    He bad mouths Obama every chance he gets. He swears he will not vote for him but askes I do not broadcast his feelings.

    Many people are discouraged.
     
  20. I agree with Hannity ~80% of the time. I still think he's a dewshbag chickenhawk. Aside from his views on foreign policy and his constant reinforcement of the bogus left-right paradigm, he's generally right on the issues. That said I think forming your political philosophy based on the rantings of any radio host is pretty bizarre.