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Lever action mag tube explosion?

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Aceman, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. Aceman

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    From using pointy bullets? Anyone eve seen this really happen? I know it is a possibility. But has it really happened? I'm sure, but is it a serious issue?
     
  2. isp2605

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    When I was a kid a neighbor had a Winchester 94 hanging on his wall with a blown out tube and wrecked forearm. He said he got it from another guy who had loaded pointed spitzer bullets because he couldn't get flat points at the time.
    So I guess it has happened at least once.
     


  3. FLIPPER 348

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    I shot many (many) of the old Fiochi 140g pointed .357mag thru my Marlin & Timberwolf with no worries. If there was a firing pin on the front of the bullet I would have worried.
     
  4. countrygun

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    I have seen on gun in person and several pictures of others.
     
  5. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Yes, it will happen. Yes, it's a serious issue.
     
  6. rednoved

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  7. MrMurphy

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    I call it unplanned spontaneous disassembly.


    Seen pics, not in person.
     
  8. Zombie Steve

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    I may be mistaken, but I think the ammo you're talking about is a truncated cone. It still has a flat point, and bigger than the primer that would be in front of it in a magazine tube.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Bob Hafler

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    I'll just say that it's a enough of a concern to me that I'll never use pointed bullets in a lever action.
     
  10. FLIPPER 348

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    Yep, that was the stuff! I had a vast supply long ago .....now I have the brass.

    What sort of .38/357 bullet would be 'point-y-er'??
     
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  12. ArmoryDoc

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    I would say you didn't use much logic in that decision. Didn't you vote for Obama too ? Twice ???
     
  13. arclight610

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    I voted for Obama 3 times.
     
  14. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

    And, that was just in 2012.



    I have a Savage M99 in .300 savage. It's a lever action with a rotary magazine, which was designed to allow spitzer type bullets in a lever action from what I have read (to avoid the tube blowing up problem).
     
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  15. ArmoryDoc

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    lol !
     
  16. The Fed

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    I'm thinking it doesn't happen much with factory ammo. Perhaps they used reloads with softer primers?
     
  17. SC Tiger

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    This problem is why "Leverlution" bullets are made, with the soft rubber tip.

    It can happen.
     
  18. countrygun

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    Yes, of course, that is why all FACTORY 30-30 ammo is either blunt, truncated or the soft tip leverevolution. Yes Hornaday spent thousands of dollars developing a new bullet because there was no problem with factory primers at all. For over a hundred years the problem has been handloaders treating their primers with "Fabric Softener".

    OF COURSE IT CAN HAPPEN WITH FACTORY AMMO, that is why factories DON'T LOAD spire point bullets in their ammo.

    :wedgie:
     
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  19. Fox

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  20. 1gewehr

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    I have seen a Model 94 .30-30 with a blow-up magazine tube.
    I doubt that it's an issue with .22 or .357 rifles. The problem is that the recoil on higher-powered rifles makes the whole stack of cartridges move forward. Then the magazine spring shoves them back down the tube. Obviously, having six heavy rifle cartridges slam back onto a spitzer bullet can cause a primer to go off.
    If you look at 8mm Lebel military ammo, you will see that it has a ring around the primer to keep a bullet from hitting it.