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lets talk about the Confederate flag.

Discussion in 'The Furball Forum' started by speedsix, May 6, 2010.


  1. Natty

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    Well lets see what we have here so far.

    The Union/Northern states have to have something to be proud of to justify the deaths of 300,000 Union soldiers that got suckered into fighting Lincoln's War.

    So the Union was fighting to "free the slaves" despite the fact that they still had slaves.

    The Union was fighting against the independence and freedom of the South, despite the fact that our country always fights for freedom and independence of other countries.

    The Union was fighting to stop the South from leaving the Union because their Government loved the South's money so much they would send hundreds of thousands of suckers to fight and die to keep the South from leaving.

    They totally forgot that our nation was born of secession against England's rule and it was perfectly legal for states to secede at that time.

    And the Union was fighting for gay marriage.
     

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  2. RichardB

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    It was not "legal" to secede from the England, you notice both sides fought a war to see which side would prevail. Had it been legal King George would have agreed to the disunion.

    The only "freedom" that the confederacy wanted was to keep other people as slaves (as written up by the confederate states in their secession documents and speeches).

    Has it been posted in this missive how many slaves or % of population the union states had at the outbreak of the war?

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    Funny how in the 1864 election Lincoln received 78% of the union soldiers vote. They apparently had different views than yours.

    Maybe they were just fighting to take them away from your ancestors. And they did.

    They won freedom and independence for 4 Milllion southerners.

    You just kinds forgot the part where the seceding states committed acts of war against the Union.

    The revolutionary war was not secession it was revolution. The colonies had no part of the Government of England. Remember that whole "Taxation without representation" thing?

    I'm sorry what is it you are saying here? That a lot of southern males were shacking up in gay relationships and the North went to war to make them get married?
     
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  5. Natty

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    So tell us all... what was the US position on slavery when the war started in 1861.

    :upeyes:
     
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    what was the confederacy's position on slavery after the war? :rofl:
     
  7. Natty

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    After the war the Confederacy had no slavery.

    After the war the Union still had slavery.
     
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    The position of the Lincoln administration was the same as before the war started. That slavery where it already existed in the states was was a matter for the states to decide.

    But that Congress did have the power to prevent the expansion of slavery into new territories.
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  11. Chui

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    Not really. The South was all for the enslavement of Africans and wished to extend slavery deep into Mexico and the Caribbean. The South was also for Free Trade (no taxes on imports).

    So in a twisted manner we kinda have what the South wanted (all of us are enslaved and the govt supports Free Trade which equates to Globalism).

    Kinda.

    I'm from South Louisiana and I support this message. LOL!

    For many here that would be the Confederate BATTLE Flag.


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  12. Natty

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    [ame]http://youtu.be/nmSUOiOvlZw[/ame]

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    Instead these might be happening.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner's_slave_rebellion

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:North_american_slave_revolts.png

    The following pages on the English Wikipedia link to this file (pages on other projects are not listed):

    1733 slave insurrection on St. John
    1811 German Coast Uprising
    1842 Slave Revolt in the Cherokee Nation
    Baptist War
    Chatham Manor
    Creole case
    Denmark Vesey
    Gabriel Prosser
    George Boxley
    Haitian Revolution
    John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry
    Nat Turner's slave rebellion
    New York Conspiracy of 1741
    New York Slave Revolt of 1712
    Pottawatomie Massacre
    Slave rebellion
    Stono Rebellion
    Tacky's War
    United States v. The Amistad
     
  17. Blast

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    'nuff said

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  18. Gray_Rider

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    Read the books.

    Slavery was on its way out well before the war and would have passed PEACEFULLY from the scene as it did everywhere else in this hemisphere w/o a war that killed over 700k Americans (and maimed tens of thousands more) including thousands of innocent Southern civilians against then international law. I'm not counting the destruction of over half of the country, and hundreds of millions in 1860's dollars lost for nothing. Oh Yes! I guess there was SOMETHING. The wonton destruction of our Constutitional Republic, and states rights, and the installation of our current all powerfull anti constitutional government.

    But it was all worth it to fight said war (supposedly to end something that was dying even then) 150 years ago, and is still costing us billions of dollars each year to solve the problems the war began.

    You "won".

    You got what you asked for.

    What are you Lincoln lovers so upset about!!??

    Dance and sing!

    As the bar keep said to the horse who walked into his bar....

    "Hey buddy! WHAT'S WITH THE LONG FACE?!

    Oh. Bravo Chui....
    BRAVO!!
     
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    If slavery was dying out, why did Article 1, section 9(4) of the Confederate Constitution guarantee the perpetuity of slavery?

    "No bill of attainder, expostfacto law or law denying or impairing the right in negro slaves shall be passed."

    Slavery was dying out. That is why the southern states seceded. That was the only way the rich plantation owners could guarantee it wouldn't.
     
  20. Gray_Rider

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    Read the books Clancy. I have waited for ANYONE to refute the books I have offered concerning slavery and the South. Still no takers whatsoever. Big surprise.

    Slavery was how cotton, corn, tobacco, et al ad infinitim was produced. It didn't start overnight nor would it be ended overnight w/o a major economic meltdown. There was no machnery capable of producing outside the factories in 1861, and if there were it wasn't available in the South. No one could have possibly forseen the extent of the power of steam and industrial revolution that was just begining to gain ground in 1861. Like it or not it was how things were done then. If there had been another way it would have been found and the slaves been sent back to wonderfull dear old Africa. This was 1861 not 2012. Its too bad today we don't have Warp Drive and photon torpedos, but we have to muddle through with what we have.

    As I have stated here before, slavery existed here in the nation for 98 years before Lincoln's war. It existed before that back to the time of the colonies. It existed before that back into the dim mists of time for centuries. But only the South is condemned for it because the truth cannot be made known to the American people.

    Of course the southern leaders gave their offical stamp of approval to slavery. They had no choice even if they had wanted otherwise. Thomas Jefferson stated that slavery was akin to holding a wolf by the ears. We couldn't hold on but were afraid to let go. The U.S. government treated freed blacks like chattle for decades after the war. They used them for what they wanted and cast them aside, but blacks are, on the whole, still on the U.S. government plantation. Funny how there is no hue and cry over that.

    The only thing that twists everyones knickers is something that hasn't existed here in 145 years. Forget about the death, destruction, the trillions of dollars, our lost Constutitional republic, and our rights. That means nothing.

    But you got what you wanted.
    You got what you deserved.
    I still don't see what the fuss is about.
    Why the long face?

    Gray_Rider