lets talk about the Confederate flag.

Discussion in 'The Furball Forum' started by speedsix, May 6, 2010.

  1. "There is a class of people men, women and children, [of the South] who must be killed or banished before you can hope for peace and order."

    ...William T Sherman in a June 21, 1864, letter to Lincoln's Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton.

    If anyone wants to idolize cold blooded murderers and Terrorists so be it.

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  2. marksiwel

    marksiwel My Mommy's Calling

    Basically yeah. There are better symbols that are less controversial

  3. tsmo1066

    tsmo1066 Happy Smiley

    I'll agree with the "darkest period" part, but as ugly as slavery was, I'd still have to rank the legitimized genocide of most of America's native population to support a land-grab as our most 'evil institution'.
  4. marksiwel

    marksiwel My Mommy's Calling

    oh he was a jackass alright, no doubt about it.
    But hey, he got the job done right?
  5. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/

    For all those who think slavery ended when the war did.

    Slavery was not outlawed till December 6, 1865, with the adoption of the 13th amendment. The Emancipation Proclamation was signed Jan 1, 1863.
  6. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Not to mention, under which flag was slavery made illegal last? Hint: it wasn't the CSA.
  7. Berto

    Berto woo woo


    So Marksiwel, do you hate the American flag too?
  8. syntaxerrorsix

    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist

    Slavery was not what the war was fought over or about.

    There is absolutely no way I can un-teach what years of public education has drilled into you. I won't even try.
  9. They cant face the truth about slavery in the North for 200 years going back to the Colonial days and still having slavery in the Union States after all the Confederate slaves were free.

    They cant even answer simple questions I posted in post #23 and #31.
    #49 Natty, May 6, 2010
    Last edited: May 6, 2010
  10. barbedwiresmile

    barbedwiresmile Unreconstructed

    What he meant was that there was a class of free people in the South who must be killed or banished before you can hope to institutionalize the primacy of the federal government and it's thirst for taxes over the liberty of the individual.
  11. marksiwel

    marksiwel My Mommy's Calling

    No more than I hate the CSA Flag.
    I dont hate it, its just doesnt mean what I used to mean. SO I dont use it.
    I used to have a shirt with the CSA flag on it. Stopped wearing it.
  12. Surprise...

    Famous Union Generals Grant and Sherman were slave owners.

  13. Berto

    Berto woo woo

    That's an interesting answer.
    I don't tend to let others determine what a flag's meaning should be. I think for myself.
    I have no problem with the Confederate Flag, and I'm from the PNW.
  14. marksiwel

    marksiwel My Mommy's Calling

    CSA Constitution

    4. No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

    3. The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.
    Oh look they wanted to expand slavery into new "States"

    Sorry but there is no way I can deprogram you from all the Nonsense you have learned.
    States Rights as in, Slavery. You can dress it up anyway you want but its slavery

    What other STATEs Rights were the CSA fighting for? How were they being repressed by the rest of the USA? ANYONE?
  15. syntaxerrorsix

    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist

    We'll let that be your little secret.
    #55 syntaxerrorsix, May 6, 2010
    Last edited: May 6, 2010
  16. Mushinto

    Mushinto Master Member

    When I first moved to Florida, I put a confederate flag license plate on the front of my car because I'd seen other people do it, it looked cool and I'd always seen myself as somewhat of a rebel.

    A few months later, I was riding with a black officer and stopped by my house for something. He saw the car and went batsht. I never realized that the flag provoked such a reaction from some people.

    I took it off. I didn't need anyone making assumptions about me based on a symbol that had no real meaning for me.

  17. Mark, I'm not saying that the CSA didn't want to keep slavery, I'm just saying the North didn't really want to stop it either, at least, their intent going in wasn't to stop it.
  18. marksiwel

    marksiwel My Mommy's Calling

    Thats it, I must be a mindless sheeple who cant think for himself.
    So when you see the Swastika you dont think Nazi you think Eastern Symbol right ?:upeyes:

    Why do you display symbols? To express an idea to others
    The CSA flag as the public sees it now no longer represents the idea I wish to display.
  19. marksiwel

    marksiwel My Mommy's Calling

    and we are in agreement.

    Now why did the South leave? Other than slavery. In real terms not "The man was messing with them" why did they leave?
  20. well he is somewhat right although it wasnt the csa bringing them over it was white and black people in general for 200 years prior to the war of northern aggression. If their ancestors hadnt been brought here they would be in africa starving and dying of aids right now. My ancestors came over here not as slaves but as subjects to a tyrant. Had they not come over i would probably be in Ulster Ireland. I would rather be here so i am thankfull. My 4xgreat grandfather was a captain in 3rd MS Cavalry 3rd regiment and was a slave owner. Was slavery right? No. Was it nessessary to the south's economy? Yes. It happened learn from it but leave it in the past where it belongs. My ancestor served under that flag and lost a son to yankees at Vicksburg. I fly and honor the Confederate flag its my way of honoring my family, my ancestors and my herritige
    #60 glock_19guy1983, May 6, 2010
    Last edited: May 6, 2010

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