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Lee dies

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by norton, Oct 15, 2010.

  1. Most of my die sets are either RCBS or Dillon.
    today, I stopped at my dealers and picked up Lee dies for 9x19. I will be using my R/C for this cartridge. Don;t want to mess with changing primers tubes, etc to run them on my 550. I'll be loading 9mm in small quantities.
    Anyway, the decapping die is carbide. My dealer suggested on the first case to lube the case-I picked up a bottle of Dillon lube. He thinks this will improve die use from there out.
    I never lube my carbide dies.
    What do GTR gurus think?
     
  2. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    I use Horandy One shot to lube all my 9mm and .45 brass (2K a month).

    No you don't NEED to if you use carbide dies, but it makes a huge difference in operation of the press specially a progressive and I would venture to say your SS too. Some guys I know use the Dillon lube, I prefer the HOS as it dires almost instantly. I rarely even tumble it off, as it if anything helps enhance feeding into the firearm.
     

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  3. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Hell, from the thread title I thought this was going to be an obituary.

    BTW... lubing your cases won't hurt a thing, will make sizing a tad easier but you're talking about sizing 9mm cases, not artillery shells.


    Jack
     
  4. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    Lee dies are great. No beed to lube. If you want, take a portion of your cases and give them a very light spritz with Pledge. Use the regualr Pledge, no the one that calims "no wax buildup". Mix the Pledged cases with the unPledged cases and size away. It lowers the effort to resize. The 9mm requires a little bit more effort to resize than straight walled cases. None of this is necessary, unless you have a week bench or problems with your hands etc. The Pledge doesn't need to be cleaned off and it won't effect your powder etc.
     
  5. Colorado4Wheel

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    Lube them. It's not needed but it's a lot smoother.
     
  6. Bob2223

    Bob2223 Jack's buddy!

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    I agree.

    Bob
     
  7. dudel

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    No need to lube if you clean the dies AND the brass. If you lube the case, you'll have to clean it off as lubed cases put more pressure on the breechface.

    Yes, it's a bit smoother; but not worth the extra work of cleaning the cases IMO. Just need to man up and build those biceps.
     
  8. crazymoose

    crazymoose Nonentity

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    Ditto.

    "He just wasn't the same after Appommatox."

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  9. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    Dudel, no disrespect but how do you explain that?

    Brian Enos is a HUGE advocate of lubing pistol cases and specifically recommends HOS, stating "If you try if try it you'll never load pistol again without doing so" He even endorses the fact that there is no real need to remove the lube as it in essence actually enhances feeding in the firearm. I've actually spoken to him personally about it during a phone conversation. How is it a man, world renowed do as a competitive shooter and as a reloading special material expert regarding pistol reloading would not state what you claim? BE has to has more rounds loaded than any dozen in this forum combined.
     
  10. ColdShot

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    I have never lubed a pistol case yet :tongueout:

    To each his own - I like my steaks rare and my wife likes em dead
    and I am not allowed to argue the fact that I think she killed the meat
    and every real steak connoisseur knows the deal but this is a free country..Kill it,its your choice
     
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  11. dbarry

    dbarry Silver Member

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    I've loaded a couple thousand 9mm on lee dies and never lubed a case. It does feel like I'm resizing an artillery shell every once in awhile. :O)
     
  12. ki4dmh

    ki4dmh Glock Lover

    Even though you don't have to lube your cases for carbide I still do. It just makes it that much smoother for you.
    Happy loading
    Scott
     
  13. wanderinwalker

    wanderinwalker 6 of .44

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    Every once in a while I will run a few lubed 9mm cases through the LEE sizing die. It does help reduce the force and smooth out the workflow. And by the time I get a bucket full of loaded ammo off the press, I've lost track of the lubed cases, so I just go shoot 'em. Lately I haven't pushed any slicked-up cases through, maybe I will run a few on the next reloading cycle.

    The 9mm has a slight taper to the case and even with the carbide dies they do require a little more effort than a straight-wall cartridge like a .45 or .38. Or maybe that's as much effort as a bigger case to size a smaller one? :dunno:
     
  14. dudel

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    Well, he also gets his guns for free:supergrin:

    THe same lube that makes the brass slide through the die, also makes it slippery in the chamber. When then the round goes off, the brass expands and grips the chamber walls, until such time that pressre decreases, the slide move back and extracts to brass. With lubed brass, the brass does not grip the chamber walls, and the case slams back to the breechface. Not good for the brass, the breechface or the firing pin. One other reason people don't recommend an oily chamber.

    If lubed cases were so good; ask yourself why no commercial ammo comes with lubed cases? If it were such a great idea, why isn't it available commercially.

    Not to dis Brian; but shooting a gazillion rounds of one caliber (or two) in one particular event, doesn't necessarily make you an expert on firearms or ballistics. General concensus from many other loads/writers (who have loaded more rounds than Brian), recommend removing the lube.

    However, it's still, for now, a free country and if you want to lube cases,
    have at it. I was merely point out the downside to the OP.

    From Sierra: http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm?section=techservice&page=faq (search for lube)

    <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 *********darkgreen align=center><TBODY><TR style="COLOR: #ffffff" *********#2c8a3c><TD>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Question[/FONT]</TD><TD>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Answer[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR *********#ffffff><TD vAlign=top>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I don't want to waste my time wiping all the sizing lube off my cases after the resizing operation, but I've been told not to tumble loaded ammunition. Won't some lubrication help the cartridge chamber more easily? What happens if it is not removed before shooting?[/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Upon ignition, the case expands in all directions, with the case walls tightly gripping the chamber. Almost instantly, the case relaxes its grip on the chamber walls as the pressure starts to drop, allowing the case to be extracted. If the cartridge were lubricated, the case wouldn't be able to grip the chamber walls, allowing it to slam back sharply against the bolt face. In extreme examples, this force, called "bolt thrust," can even damage a firearm. For what it's worth, the British used to use lubricated cartridges to proof test a firearm, rather than the so called "blue pill" loads used here in the US. Wipe those cases, and make sure your chamber stays clean and dry![/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
     
  15. OkieGunNut

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    I found the reference to Brian Enos rather amusing. BoxerGlocker must not shoot USPSA. The first time you drop a mag of "lubed rounds" into the dirt you won't do that again. Of course if you are one of the "prima donnas" who doesn't tape or record scores or RO then you will have time to take your mags apart and clean the dirt out of them and off your "lubed" rounds.
    I don't even lube my mags (Glock) after cleaning them.
     
  16. dudel

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:Brian must be looking for an unfair advantage having all the competion with lubed, gritty brass.:supergrin:
     
  17. njl

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    Even in 9mm with a carbide sizer, lubed brass resizes so much easier, once you try it, you'll never go back.
     
  18. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    I've tried One Shot on pistol brass - it does feel pretty good going through the die. Alas, I went back to not screwing around with it if I don't have to... I must be a masochist (or the CRB gene is really kicking in).
     
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  19. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    I referenced BE cause thats the first time I ever heard of lubing pistol brass with HOS. I shoot IDPA and USPSA equally (hence my 2K month round count) and NEVER had the problem wet/dry or otherwise. If you have tried HOS you will know it actualy dries very well.
    And yes I SO, tape, help take score, come in early before the crowd to help set-up stages whenever I can. We have over 100 shooters every match and there is plenty of time to clean out a mag, if you have to, but I never have specifically because I use HOS.
    Like said to each his own, I'll continue to use it no skin off my nose. Regardless of Dudels xplaination may appear valid (for a bolt action firearm, not a semi auto) but at this point my G34 has over 36K of lubed rounds through it and appears no worse for wear in the breach or otherwise.
    Your reason for being amused baffles me, bt now looking at your profile and reading a number of your past posts I see why, your new and obviously had taken the time to do the same would know, that I'm a avid shooter and though as Jack says a student of the art or reloading, take great pains to learn and pass on experiences to others.

    GTG, monthly IDPA match at the home club this morning...
     
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  20. jwc17

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    My experience exactly. I have tried other case lubes, but HOS is easiest and works best for me.