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Knoxville Tn. switches from Glock to Sig

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by SJ 40, Jan 23, 2013.


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  1. SJ 40

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    The Knoxville Police Department will begin a transition from a .40-caliber Glock to a .45-caliber Sig Sauer handgun after City Council approved the switch Tuesday night.

    At $750 each, the .45-caliber Sig Sauer is more expensive than the $600 .40-caliber Glock. But Rausch noted the Glock has a life of four years while the Sig Sauer is expected to perform for 10 years.

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/jan/23/kpd-switching-to-higher-caliber-service-weapons/

    I seem to get more than four years service from my G 22's.
    Granted they do not see the rigors of duty that KPD's G 22's may.

    If one assumes that maybe the KPD qualifies twice a year,an use in the line of duty and some officers may actually enjoy shooting. I still can't imagine that they are trashed in four years.

    I know that I'm somewhere in the neighborhood of a minimum of 8000 rds. per year in at least two of my Glocks.
    To me they are in fine shape and not in need of replacement but maybe I'm missing something like taxpayers funds.
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    Looks like more good quality G22's are about to hit the resellers and thats good for us. I like to pick up police buy back Glocks. Little use, little wear, good price.
     

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    Wow, someone tell my Glocks that they have expired!!
    Waste of tax dollars for them to switch, they too will switch back one day,lol.
     
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    How are they coming up with a life span of 4 years with as little use as they get. Are they worried about holster wear ?
     
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    I just dont get it LOL, prob some top brass that likes the looks of the Sig or either has one that he uses outside of work and been talking it up all the time about how much better it is going to be LOL... stupid idea, and is a waste of money....
     
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    Agreed Good G 22's .
    Actually the of kick backs,payoffs is what one might assume until one does the math.
    Assuming the numbers in the article are correct 13500.00 divided by 225 Sigs works out to 60.00 per new Sig. SJ 40
     
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    Going down to 8 rds? I would not do that. What 45 model? The P220? Also where are all the guns and ammo going, I could use some?
     
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    There's probably a slipped decimal point in that $13,500. Something like $135,000 makes sense given the $750 unit cost minus the trade-in value.

    They are also trading in 300,000 rounds of ammo and, at the moment, that is worth a LOT OF MONEY. Of course, they still need to buy .45 ACP and the article stated that it would be custom ammo. I wonder why?

    Changing to the all steel Sig P220 will make the Sig .45 a lot more comfortable to shoot than the Glock .40. It will be heavier to carry but a lot of time is spent sitting down.

    Around here, both the local PD and SO shoot Sigs and these were selected after the PD SWAT team did some exhaustive comparisons. Not every comparison results in an order for Glock.

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    Are they going with an all (stainless) steel P220 or an aluminum frame version?

    And the price of the Glock should be less than 398; I am sure whoever sells them will get more than the purchase price for them.
     
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    The Glocks cost them less than $400 each, not $600. The Glock wearing out in 4 years is as big a joke as the Sig outlasting a Glock. The Glocks probably have less than 2,000 rounds fired per gun.
     
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    When you see press blurbs like this, understand that there is some "bullfoonery" added in. Armorer's know the real reasons by all sort of things get sent up the chain to rationalize a change. Note that it made no mention of the increase in armorer time for repairs and maintenance as well as increased costs for parts (a potentially considerable cost for an agency that size).

    That being said, a local agency here outfitted their SWAT team members with P226 .40 TACOPS. Their people felt it best. Sig Sauer is still a player in the LE market.
     
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    I see nothing wrong with the change. It appears they were testing .45's and they preferred the SIG over the Glock. Nothing wrong with that, the P220 is a great gun, IMO. However, this said 8 rounds so it may be a 1911.
     
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    Me I would not want to carry the Big Sig with DA/SA and only 8 rds as a PO!
    The Glock 21 would of been much better choice for 45 with 13 rd mags!
     
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    Actually, looking closer, it was the P220. It is a great gun and battle tested. I prefer 9mm but I've scoped out a P220 I want to buy, sweet gun.
     
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    Going from a light pistol and carrying two extra magazines for a total of 46 rounds to a heavy pistol and carrying four extra magazines for a total of 41 rounds is a step backwards for a LEA.
    The P220 is a good pistol that shoots well.
     
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    Guess my Glocks are a lot better made than KPD Glocks....... They last a lot longer than 4 years and probably get shot a lot more too. The is not a knock at Sig........
     
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    Agree not to knock the Sig. That said the Glock 22's I own seem somehow to best there worn out G 22's,I some how get more that four years to one. Fact is I have yet begun to wear out my Glock's but I keep trying. SJ 40
     
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    That is just plain ole' stupid or normal political logic.

    Looks like they could get a better price than $600, for a Glock. I ain't any PD and I can find them cheaper than $600.
     
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    Anyone know who will end up reselling them? I could use a couple G22's.
     
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    The article and the comments are pretty comical. Hey whatever blows their skirt up I guess. The locals to that PD get to foot the large bill.
     
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