close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

KKM, Storm Lake, Barsto, IGB, and LWD barrels

Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by gwsanfor, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. gwsanfor

    gwsanfor

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    171
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NC
    I'm curious about aftermarket G20 barrels with better case support, always looking to be safe and shovel more into this moneypit of a hobby :cool:.

    The IGB seems interesting, though pricey, advertising drop-in fit and "fully supported" chambers. My interest is more in minimizing bulging brass than a tighter barrel.

    I've seen commentary here on most of these barrels individually, each seems to have its own relative merits. My questions are:

    1) Has anyone tried more than one of these, and is willing to compare them?

    2) What tradeoffs are associated with fully supported chambers? I assume that feeding reliability is the reason Glock makes there barrels as they do, so does fully supported mean less reliable feeding? This would be for a target and range gun, not for combat or carry.

    Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2012
  2. _The_Shadow

    _The_Shadow Ret. Fireman

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2007
    Messages:
    4,528
    Likes Received:
    29
    Location:
    Southeast, LoUiSiAna
    I have used the Storm Lake 10mm & 40S&W conversion in my G-29 both have been great!
     

  3. swinokur

    swinokur

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    2,255
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Montgomery County, MD
    I have Storrm Lake 4.48" extendd barrel in my G29SF. I also have a KKM 40 conversion barrel. The SL needed to go back because of feeding issues. It was polished and came back and has been fine ever since. I don't consider that a black mark and SL fixed it immediately and paid the UPS both ways.
     
  4. arushus

    arushus Biggest Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    2,541
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    NE Oklahoma
    There is a trade-off between case supoort and reliability. It isnt a direct relationship, but one is a function of the other.
     
  5. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    For Glocks, I've owned Federal, Lone Wolf, KKM and a 6" Barsto (their match, full gunsmith-only fitted version), as well as a Fusion 6" barrel (on a custom 1911), . Ironically, I've actually got a brand new Barsto semi-drop-in on the truck for delivery TODAY for my G20SF. Once I fit the barrel, I will definitely try to give a report on dimensions, feeding and measurements. Will include some pics, too.
     
  6. gwsanfor

    gwsanfor

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    171
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NC
    Thanks. LWD (and all dealers I've checked) is out of theirs until February, but there's a Bar-Sto at Midway that's eating my lunch. According to their CS rep, turnaround is 10-12 weeks just for fitting an already manufactured barrel. I'm not willing to be without the gun that long, especially since the LWD seems to have a better cost-effect, as far as I can tell. Still, there's something about a Bar-Sto: I haven't heard anyone that did not love theirs.

    How hard is the Bar-Sto to fit, typically? Do you have a how-to guide, or how did you learn that skill? I look forward to your report and pictures, especially since I'm not convinced Bar-Sto offers better case support than LWD. Can you comment on that?
     
  7. arushus

    arushus Biggest Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    2,541
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    NE Oklahoma
    You should look at the classifieds here, and elsewhere like gunbroker. You can find slightly used barrels for a very good price. Ive been seriously considering selling my stock-length lwd 10mm barrel. It needs the feedramp polished with a dremel. The support is just a little too tight and it is causing feed issues. I dont have a dremel or Id do it myself, and I dont wanna buy one just for my barrel.
     
  8. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    You are right, LWD is backordered.... and their site keeps pushing the date back a month.... they were backordered in OCTOBER, too. Who knows when they will ever get any stock. When I talked to Barsto yesterday, Mr. Stone said they wouldn't have any Glock 10mm barrels for many weeks (10-12w sounded about right), however, you would only HAVE to send them the gun if you either 1) get the full match fit barrel (NOT the one at MidwayUSA) or 2) choose to have them fit their semi-drop-in barrel. I have done quite a few projects like part fitting, sight installs, troubleshooting and quite a bit of 1911 work involving a file and decided to do this particular Barsto install on my own this time around. (BTW, I ordered my Barsto from Midway yesterday, I will have it today. Fast service!). Barsto is by far a better barrel than the LW and should also have better case support. LW sells a good barrel but it is more hit&miss with the actual amount of case support you will end up with. Also, you won't see much of an accuracy increase if the barrel is drop-in, whereas a barrel that doesn't QUITE drop-in and has to be fit will definitely see an accuracy improvement.

    The bottom line is.... are you getting the barrel specifically FOR accuracy or is it more to save your brass and allow you to shoot lead/cast bullets? Also, what is your budget? Also, do you want it NOW or later? :) KKM I know KKM has their barrels IN STOCK and make an EXCELLENT barrel for less than the Barsto.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2012
  9. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    There you go, gwsanfor! Snap it up!
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2012
  10. arushus

    arushus Biggest Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    2,541
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    NE Oklahoma
    Im thinking I may go with a barsto 10mm barrel eventually also. Like you said, Ive never heard anything bad about them. And theyre the only barrel Ive researched that ACTUALLY helps accuracy!
     
  11. gwsanfor

    gwsanfor

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    171
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NC
    Nick,

    My main concern is safety and preserving brass with hot loads. The price Midway is asking ($200) is within my comfort zone, but add the $80 shipping and 16 weeks with the gun at Bar-Sto, and I become reluctant, probably willing to wait for a $110 LWD, which would probably meet my purposes just fine. The reason I am avoiding KKM is the late mudrush's view on them, and some bad reports (although the poll at brianenos.com seemed to favor KKM).

    When do I want it? :rofl: However, I am trying to exercise something like restraint. If I come to believe that the Bar-Sto might just drop in, or that if very careful, I could fit it myself, I'd order today. I am a Glock Armorer, for what that's worth when it comes to fitting barrels, and I've done bunches of slides and triggers, just never a barrel. I'm fairly good with a Dremel. I'm getting ready to go shoot a ton of Underwood, and not having to fool with that Bulge Buster is worth some money to me.

    Thanks for your time spent helping me on this.
     
  12. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    I had my old Glock 20 Longslide fitted with a full, match gunsmith fit Barsto years back and it was a stunningly accurate barrel. Never a barrel-related feeding issue EVER with it. (I had extractor-related issue with that conversion setup I had but never was it the fault of the barrel). Barsto is easily the best AM barrel I've owned...
     
  13. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Understood. Honestly, I'd go with a KKM. Call Kevin and tell him you want the most chamber support possible and have him send you the one with the most support (out of what he has in stock). I'm sure you will be MORE than satisfied and it will only cost you $165.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2012
  14. robert91922

    robert91922

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2009
    Messages:
    430
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Slovenia, Europe
    I use 4.6" IGB barrel w. Plasma coating inside. It has literally full supported chamber, only visible signs of overpressure are primers falling out :shocked:
    Pricey - yes. Glock smiles - none.
    When ordering pay attention to check "plasma coating for lead bullets" even if you won't use cast bullets because this way you get smoother barrel and to "YES, I'am a reloader" check to get full supported chamber.
    cons: a round longer than 1.270 stucks at the barrel hood if you want to unload it unfired from Glock 20, but such OAL is rare and not recommended for reliability anyway.

    Why I decided to buy IGB? It was my only possible choice beside stock barrel. Not much offer on EU market.
    P.S.: in general, it has tighter chamber than stock. Had some brass too bulged for IGB but still went smoothly through stock chamber.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2012
  15. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    UPDATE:

    Got my semi-drop-in Barsto barrel today.... WOOHOO!! When I first tried to drop in the barrel it wouldn't clear the ejection port. After talking with the friendly people at Barsto, I slowly reduced the length of the chamber section of the barrel by taking very small and deliberate strokes with a small square file until the barrel would press into the chamber opening with force.... then a few more to finally get it to slide in a bit easier... and one more stroke to get it to latch in, smooth as butter. I'm gonna shoot it before I do any more of ANYTHING, including polishing or the like. If polishing is necessary, I'll do it after my first range trip. I DID hand cycle a full mag of my multiple fired reloads and everything cycled perfectly and smoothly. Ejection was consistent, as well. If this barrel is anything like my prior 10mm Barsto, it will feed flawlessly every time.

    I also took a few measurements of the stock chamber and Barsto. The stock barrel measures .434-.435" diameter. The Barsto measures .426-.427" with EXCELLENT case web support. My Fusion barrel also measures .426-.427" ALSO with AMAZING case support.

    I'm a happy camper. Barsto still makes a damn fine product... no surprise.

    Pics:
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  16. gwsanfor

    gwsanfor

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    171
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NC
    I'm sold. I just ordered the Bar-Sto from Midway. The $15 coupon from GT brought it to a fairly reasonable $185. I also ordered the Bar-Sto DVD, but if I don't think I can do the work I located a very reputable local smith who's done many barrels, including Glocks, so I don't expect to have to pay the $130 round trip shipping from Greensboro to Sturgis. Just saving money left and right with this gun.

    Nick, I hope you'll keep posting about your progress with fitting and shooting your gun. That's a nice looking piece.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2012
  17. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Nice! If you have any ability with metalworking and gunsmithing projects, I would recommend getting a small square file (like in my picture) and do the install yourself. It took me all of about 20 minutes. Well worth it and it was FREE!

    Let me know when you do the work!
     
  18. rcd567

    rcd567

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2011
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    Near Glenwood, Iowa
    I found a source of Lone Wolf barrels. It was out of New York somewhere. Anyway I ordered and received one. Reviews on this site have been hit and miss but I ordered one anyway. It does have the cartoonish wolf on the barrel hood.

    All that being said, I've run about 300 rounds, both factory and reloads through it and it has been flawless. My original glock barrel allowed by brass to bulge quite a bit and I even saw some smilies with certain loads. Those same loads in my Lone Wolf barrel don't smilie and my brass is in much better shape upon firing.

    I invested in the LW barrel to reduce bulging for longer brass life without sacrificing reliability and accuracy. It has met all my expectations.
     
  19. nickE10mm

    nickE10mm F.S.F.O.S.

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    120
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    I think he already bought a Barsto from Midway (same one I bought about three days ago).... BUT .... I will say, I had the same experience as you when I got my LW conversion barrel a year or two ago. LW DOES make a good product but I wanted gilt-edge accuracy this time around so I, personally, opted for a semi-fit barrel.
     
  20. woolecox

    woolecox

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    0
    I ordered a Bar-Sto Match/Target barrel for my G22 today (not the "drop in"). They are taking about 14-18 weeks for delivery for this barrel.

    Anyone have any experience fitting one of these barrels? I am pretty handy with minor gunsmithing chores but have never fitted a barrel in a Glock. There are some good smiths in my area but would prefer to learn to do it myself if possible.

    Any help appreciated. Thanks!

    Woolly